drugs are now mainstream....

... yes it started out as a shamanic, mind opening, thing and now it's so disgusting how people make money from it (weed, psychedelics), they use to escape and have fun (they think) to get wasted.... decadence is in the air.

actually it has become so mainstream to do acid, etc.... it's actully"COOL" to do it.... it is not about your own true and personal connection with the universe and your soul....anymore.

i actually lately find it even nicer if someone can attain some kind of spiritual path without having lsd inspired mindblowing visuals.

lsd has bacome mainstream. i am so sad to witness that greedy money stinking bizness sucking energy.... that surrounds the whole acid bizness.

Keep the spirit pure

 

i totally agree, ive seen many people do it just because everyone else is.. with no purpose or greater intention

 

I was just talking to a friend of mine the other day about the recreational use of LSD and other entheogens. We were actually comparing the way people interact in a social environment on LSD versus a group of people getting drunk together. Obviously I would rather be at the LSD party. Regardless of your intention before going on an LSD trip, the experience is almost always an insightful and enlightening one. Even a "bad trip" can provide a positive perspective or greater appreciation for life.

I think its great that LSD is gaining popularity. I wish it could be freely distributed but as long as we live in a capitalist society there will always be someone profiting from it. IMO LSD is a mind opener no matter how you look at it and I think it could only help this world.

 

who cares? having fun is a good thing. and lsd is a lot better than alcohol or most other drugs for your body (and everything else).

what do you think you're going to do once you reach the end of your spiritual journey? once you find enlightenment? stop working and just love, just live and enjoy.

lsd is not a drug to make lots of money off of, and it never will be. if you want to make money off of drugs, there are a lot more profitable ones.

 

its almost impossible to find anyone nowadays who doesn't get high on something - maybe its the re-emergence of the gin years again, a reaction to the same cultural imbalance...

don't get me wrong i spent the longest part of my life doing pretty much every drug going in various combinations, but gave up almost all of them a while back - my body couldn't handle much more abuse and it was a case of stop or drop. and i still see the attraction of being fuckedup each and every day...

in our society tho there is no real alternative to being wasted as a social tool - both for the mainstream and for the alternative cultures... every public place where people go to socialise has some form of drug, whether alcohol, coke, ganj, hash, vics, h, or whatever... both legal and illegal drugs are definitely mainstream.

 

everything is a drug.

 

can't it be mainstream and mindopening

silly =D

 

BUT.... i've been around with folk that do the stuff since decades.... and... it's just a way to enjoy, have sex, escape boredom. in the end its just a ritual. you'll see.

 

see unfortunately, the truth of the matter is that ever since LSD was released to the masses and no longer kept to a small group of intellectual elite (aldous huxley was in favor of this approach), it has been used to make money. money is the driving force behind this society and thats part of the beauty behind LSD is it has a similar lesson. all it is is a tiny piece of paper, but when used in certain ways it can incredibly powerful. LSD is nothing, its all about your head. there's times when i've taken two hits and seen shadow people, and other times taken a ten strip and walked around talking to people about their day. your thoughts and subconscious mind is always manifesting itself and LSD is like a microscope. it takes any given experience and magnifies it makes it incredibly intense, gives magic to the mundane. if you take LSD in a spiritual context, without lots of people and with something spiritual in mind, you are likely to have a spiritual experience. if you take it and party, you will have a weird, wacky insane party experience, possible the most far out fun you could have. so is one worse? its all just part of the passing show, so before you knock it tell me have you had a genuine spiritual experience? i agree with you, but its all in how you choose to use it and i would like to know your personal spiritual insight on this life and this universe. if you want to have an experience that will almost always bridge on the supernatural, take mushrooms in a forest with your best friend. LSD is far more of a drug, afterall it was a chemical synthesized by humans, a technology to be used for a purpose. mushrooms are little telepathic creatures who have been living on this earth with us for a long time

 

lsd is probably on of the most profitable drug. in large quantity your talking 50 cents a hit which can be sold for up to 10 dollars a hit. i'm not supporting this kind of misuse of this drug but its true. the people who make it are extremely wealthy. but selling lsd is kind of like playing god

 

maybe in large quantity to buy already put onto blotter, but i'm talking about the investment, time, love, and risk involved in actually making it. and people who are willing to devote their lives to it that way, probably aren't going to sell large quantities to assholes.

i have a friend who bought a large (not GIGANTIC but pretty big) quantity of lsd and sold it... and he lost money on it, happily. luckily, that is still how it seems to work with all the lsd i've come into contact with and the scenes i've been involved in.

i'm not saying it doesn't happen, or that people who make lsd aren't rich (they kind of deserve to be anyway). but making and distributing lsd just to make a buck is like working and praying every day in a monastery just to have a free place to stay.

 

um, drugs have always been mainstream
saying that they used to be all about the mind expansion and only recently become a "lets all get fucked" type thing is just fucking bullshit
not only is it bullshit, it's pretty ignorant
i'm sorry if saying that offends you
there are cultures where it was about mind expansion...(peyote, vision quests in native cultures for example)
but theres always been a counter culture involving drugs as a way to just get wasted
if there is a drug, there will be a person abusing it
it's sort of human nature

 

Just about a hundred years ago, in the Sears catalog, you used to be able to mail-order heroin and syringes, legally, that sounds pretty mainstream to me, not to mention, the cocaine and opium elixirs.

Besides that, I seriously doubt there are any (or many) millionaire acid or mushroom dealers, completely unlike big time cocaine and heroin dealers, etc.

 

Well that was insightful

 

i know what he's saying

it seems like everyone and their mother has dropped some lucy.
and these are people who I wouldnt' give acid to if someone paid me.
crazy times....

 

Some guy at another board wrote this and I rather agree:

------Without fear of some 'other' life or reincarnation, heaven and hell,
evolution, and so on, people would be much happier with free ability to use
their drug of choice. But those conceptual boogeymen keep us bound to our
miseries in their stoical form. Having been on nearly every drug ever and
also given them all up many times and gone back to basics I can really
consider myself qualified to make a distinction.

Here it is. Drugs are really positive for those who have no hope, or who are
suffering. Also, for those who have no path, and few beliefs. Drugs can open
a window to light and fresh air. However they simply cannot keep the window
open and they never open the door. Plus they have side effects. Those side
effects include all of the range of negative qualities for which drugs have
been used to prevent.

Thus karma simply cannot be avoided.

From the karmic POV, that which you fail to work out today you will work out
tomorrow.

I remember wishing my mother would smoke some weed with me once or twice so
that we could communicate better. Until I saw a friend and his mother smoke
the totally potent bud that exists now and watched his seventy year old
mother just sink into a zombie like stupor. You've seen kids just melt into
the sofa but this was ten times worse and she was totally dull and dimwitted
like someone on Xanax.

Since then I have her image in my mind as being the sort of end point of the
stoner evolution. And I didn't like seeing it.

I used to always want pot legalized. But then after working with stoners in
the kitchen I have decided that the ability to quickly throw off the cares
of the world without effort through smoking dope makes one careless, and
yes, dull.

I don't have the answers but after the stoned knucklhead rear ended my car
at the gas pump, driving only two miles per hour, I have changed my mind.
Even pot now is too powerful for the simpletons who comprise our basic
strata of society on earth. Weed does not any longer exacerbate creative
thought and attenuate agression, it now just flatlines both, transforming
neither.

I don't hate drugs. People say legalization would prevent alot of crime. It
might. But then those of criminal mentality would have to find even more
dangerous options for their deviance. The idea of trying to get through to
crowds of stoned people who needed guidance would be over. Stoners united
would be easy to drive over a cliff like dumb cattle and they would be so
driven. With even greater lack of discrimination such people would be easy
fodder for every hustler.

Pot now is quite as strong as opium. Maybe not as physically addictive but
it still is physically addictive. I read accounts every day now at the
Shroomery and other drugs boards where people are developing mental illness
and going through withdrawls. I doubt that it will be deniable very much
longer that even good old pot is now its own Mara."

 

Myself, I did acid about 50 times. I enjoyed it a few of the first times. A number of the second times were like being in hell. And then after a 10 year hiatus I did it again another 20-30 times.

I can say to you all that acid has a very bad effect on the mind and body. Whoever said acid has no effect on the body has not done real acid. It burns up ones free energy signature into dullness. Most people I know who have done acid have developed some sort of obsessive compulsiveness, or turned to drugs which create dullness to forget what they thought was so great when they first did them.

Thus at least one member of 'The Family' that I know of became a heroin addict after selling blotter for a few years because he could not stand the intense nervousness of heightened perception any longer.

You kids now have no guidance. Your parents are all on SSRIs and Benzos. You have only them to look to as mentors and it's getting late in the day for heading East. In the future you all will be more responsible for yourselves and others because the innocence and ignorance of drug abuse will no longer be able to be ignored.

Just last week at this board someone was screaming and crying because he and his little brother wanted to take acid and they got something else. They didn't know what. The boy responsible for giving the drug to his brother had a seriously bad trip. Neither experienced a goal of heightened perception or joy, instead both were left feeling miserable and afraid. This is the state of drug dealing today. None of you can depend upon any other. Each of you will stab each other in the back for a dose of something.

Maybe you guys are a bit too young to see that, but I am not and I see and hear about it every day.

Not in the future, but today, you are responsible for your own actions. You have greater tools at the outset than we had 20 plus years ago. You guys are not naive like we were. You also have spiritual tools available and some great teachers. You therefore have no excuses to lve like ostriches. The world is burning around you and all you guys do is slurp up some dope and talk bullshit about creating a better world. You people are full of shit. Drugs are proven now to have no transforming effect. Proven. Look back at the Sixties and tell me what it alll meant in hindsight. Not a fucking thing.

So keep to taking drugs for fun because that little thrill is all there is to them. As for finding freedom or transcendence or spiritual liberation, that will never be obtained through any sort of drug.

 

I can honestly say that I would not love you as I do without drugs. At least not this point in my life. There are many people that disagree with you.

I dont know about all the mysticism, but drugs give a brief glimpse of ourselfs through new eyes. It's like putting on glasses for the first time. A completely new perception of reality, and there is nothing to be gained?

 

I'd have to agree with you here up to a point. LSD certainly does lead to energy drain, esp. if you just keep on doing it. I've experienced it first hand like you.....and like you, some years ago. I don't think it does permanant damage to the body, but can definitely have longer term implications for the mind.

There is a very simple explanation as to why it drains the body. It's a bit like power management in a PC. Energy is taken from one part of the being to feed another. Rescources of energy are burned up quite rapidly, leading to the famous acid demoralization and burned out feeling.

But is it real love if it only comes with an outside cause like a drug?

I'm not as anti as chodpa - I do agree though with many of the points he makes.
The 60's for example especially. It didn't really lead very far or we'd hardly be in this current mess. Most of the kids of 67 who thought they were being spirtually enlightened very rapidly reverted to the old patterns, and even in a more reactionary way than their parents generation.

My feeling and experience over a long time leads me to conclude that for a small number of people, it can be useful at times. For the majority it's simply a waste of time, and playing with fire. Personally I've met countless acid users, and I only know of 2 other people who I feel have derived anything in the way of long term benefit.
Many just become unstable in one way or another.