Haiku

Discussion in 'Poetry' started by SillyGreenMeep, Sep 21, 2007.

  1. SillyGreenMeep

    SillyGreenMeep Member

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    I make up haikus
    In my head so that I don't
    think about the past
     
  2. weaselpop

    weaselpop Member

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    :D I've done that with limericks to try not to think about the present.
     
  3. Autentique

    Autentique wonderfabulastic

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    I like reading Haikus, never ever wrote one though.
     
  4. redyelruc

    redyelruc The Yard Man

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    I'm going to add a haiku and hopefully start a trend. Maybe everybody can write one.

    I am not alone,
    There are others here with me.
    But I feel alone.
     
  5. usfcat

    usfcat CaterCreeps

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    Here's one :)

    With the sun I rise,
    Behind my mask, In disguise,
    Then comes my demise.
     
  6. weaselpop

    weaselpop Member

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    Oooo, a rhyming haiku. I've never seen one of those before. Not that I remember.
     
  7. weaselpop

    weaselpop Member

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    Rhyming!

    Behind cloudy eyes
    My weary mind stirs and tries
    To shrug off the lies
     
  8. guinea

    guinea Member

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    chilren of the world
    awake and be heard as one
    sing praises of love
     
  9. Cassifrass

    Cassifrass Member

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    The sun is so cruel.
    I'm not ready to wake up!
    Five more minutes, please.

    :)
     
  10. Malapascua

    Malapascua Member

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    I don't think they got it yet.
    Your opening post is a (non-rhyming) 5-7-5 haiku.

    Clever.[​IMG]
     
  11. Cassifrass

    Cassifrass Member

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    Um.. I thought that was obvious?
     
  12. Malapascua

    Malapascua Member

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    OK.
    Guess I shouldn't have stated the obvious.
    Oooppssss
    :)
     
  13. Cassifrass

    Cassifrass Member

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    No offense, I just thought the others had 'got it' also. But, I could be wrong. Who knows?
     
  14. BlazingDervish

    BlazingDervish Banned

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    Personal rule of mine: When encountering any Haiku thread, I must participate. Time to toss some syllables around.



    Kerosene goddess.
    Flames kiss the darkest corners
    of ebony night.

    The retinal burn of an
    instant consumed, trails behind

    Kerosene Goddess.
    Souls roar as flames kiss wind.
    Auditory awe.

    Jet engine peal reminding
    of the peril in motion.

    Kerosene Goddess.
    Feet kiss ground in spiral dance
    A dervish prayer

    Elemental control in
    fluidic motion, she whirls...




    Ok..so I ended up going a bit on the Tonka side.
     
  15. Cassifrass

    Cassifrass Member

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    My haikus are never serious. Off the top of my head...

    Nine to five torture
    Deadlines, phone lines, worry lines
    The migraine, she comes.

    Now back to work I go. :)
     
  16. weaselpop

    weaselpop Member

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    What is it you got?

    (I was refering to a different haiku. Plus - trying not to sound petty - I think we know what a standard haiku is)
     
  17. BlazingDervish

    BlazingDervish Banned

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    You'd be surprised. Some folk protest that 3-5-3 is a valid haiku form and I just can't find anything, anywhere that backs that up.
     
  18. LostLass

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    If you read just about any serious, scholarly book on haiku, you will find that the fewer the syllables, the better. Most experts on the form believe that striving for a total syllable count of 12 captures the essence of the form in English.

    Genuine haiku is very difficult to write, just as writing a sonnet is more than following a standard rhyme scheme. Some very general rules for writing this form of poetry in English are as follows;

    The first and third lines should be between 2 and 5 syllables, the briefer the better. The second line should be between 4 and 7 syllables.

    Subject matter for haiku come from nature; there should be very little mention of the human made world or references to the self.

    There should be a reference to the season. This needn't be as obvious as snow or roses ... it could be an image of a bird building a nest or a turtle egg hatching.

    The first line should contain a complete image.

    The second and third lines should contain another image in contrast to the imagery in the first line. In studying haiku, I have found the second and third lines typically to be one clause with the noun on the second line and the verb on the third line.

    In general, the purpose of haiku is to capture a fleeting moment in the natural world that, when meditated upon, may reveal a Truth about life or the natural world.

    The same form, though usually humorous with references to people or human made objects, is called Senryu.

    Tanka is the form that is generally suited to writing about human thoughts and feelings.

    I did extensive research on Japanese poetic forms and their adaptation into English for a lesson I co-taught. My fellow teacher and I went back and forth back and forth ... "Everyone knows that haiku is about the syllable count - 5-7-5. Are you saying that no one on the elementary or secondary level ever teaches it properly? You've got to be kidding." "Yes, that is what I'm saying, and no, I'm not kidding. If we're going to teach a disciplined poetic form, then we're going to do it properly. Otherwise it is like teaching kids to write a specific form of sonnet (Petrarchan, Spenserian, Shakespearean, or Miltonic ... take your pick) and telling them not to pay attention to the meter or rhyme scheme."

    All that is not to say that poems in this thread are not well written and expressive ... they simply are not haiku.
     
  19. Kizen

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    f**k the elitist
    One querulous, is born to
    reside unwilling
     
  20. BlazingDervish

    BlazingDervish Banned

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    Well, I had a big long winded post on kanji, syllables, Fellenosa and such to try and qualify my previous statement since it all got 'like that' *snap snap* but we've gone through that once already, so here's the brief version.

    The english 5-7-5 was born of some literarily talented folk, who found the principles of japanese haiku ingtriguing. No, it's not "true haiku" but since it's what we, being english, call haiku, I didn't see it necessary to qualify.

    I also see it as a valid form unto itself, and figure it's worthy of respect in its own right(even if we're just all ignorant round-eyed barbarians :1eye: ), which is why I was curious about 3-5-3 .

    Perhaps Pound and crew should have just given it a different name...

    And to answer my own question, 3-5-3 can be valid, within the parameters of Fellenosa's translations. It's just not very common, escpeically since the English form became defined by 5-7-5.

    Kudos to those who strive, for whatever reason, to make english haiku as close to the japanese version as possible. It's an interesting challenge, though somewhat futile at the end of the day - so lets just all have some fun :)
     

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