I just thought of this!!

K...check this out

Everyone is always bitchin' bout stuff that they are forced to do. They Say that they are not free. But you are free. You have just chosen to read this sentence. you choose everything.

And you might be saying that your enslaved in this system. Which appears to be true. You think you have to go to school. But you don't. You can run away. And when you do, there will be helicopters and police men chasing after you. Who is truely the slave to the system?

 

I could quit my job, but I like getting the money, so I stay.

 

ok, i guess this doesn't really work with adults. But I still like the idea that we have free will no matter what.

 

Dude, yes it does. Ever met a hobo? Ever meet one who just decided to gamble, or drink their life away? Maybe they just decided to quit their job and just start asking for money instead of earning it. There are some real, unfortunate homeless people but I think I've seen a few that just did it all by choice...

But you're completely right - you can do whatever you want. The important part is to just take responsibility for what you do. That's why it's fun to take risks and do shit you're not supposed to do - it shows you how much freedom you really have, even if you're the one who's getting in trouble for it all. So in reality... you're in much more control and have much more choice than you really think you do! Total mindfuck.

 

congratulations, you've discovered existentialism

 

hooray! arty:

 

anyway, it's all lies. there is no free will. we are all slaves to our past and our genetics.

 

No we are not slaves, theres always more than one path to take. If you know your past then you can change it no? as for genetics well..the docs are workin on that

 

I'm cutting my own path, I don't know WHERE the hell you guys are!

 

Well, sure the past will influence our descisions in the present, but it doesn't control us. Genetics...eh, i dunno. I still think we are all free and completely responsible for everything

 

Every one makes their own way,
The thing that comes from freewill is reponsibility

 

hmm i have to say genetics can be pretty significant though

genetically im fucked

 

ha. So, I guess in the past six months since I started this thread, the idea of humans being these complex input-output machines has been exposed to me, which kinda makes me mad, that we can be so predictable, but I think also its best to try not to fall into any sort of mold er nothin.

Like, by not rebelling, you are conforming.

But you'd have to conform to something, even if it is not conforming. So all of your ideas are based off something from something else...

But then there had to be a time when there were no ideas, and everything was origional thought...

So...its like repo man...UFOs are actually time machines, and people that go missing in Latin American countries are actually abducted and go back in time to create society and time is this huge lupe, but not, its just infinite.

And we see in four dimensions- depth, width, heighth, and time, but we see time partially, so we see it in chunks and can't see it, as, say the aliens can, and the aliens are from some planet called Tralfamadore, and Billy Pilgrim accepts that only on Earth is there such talk of free will.

But,we are all fated to die, and we all know it, so maybe we somehow subconciously choose how we will acheive fated end goal, and all die, and we are all in a tangent universe trying not to die, and the universe split off because of this plane engine that broke off from the real universe, so we're all trying not to die, though we all die anyway. So it goes.

guess that's the way the whole durned human comedy keeps perpetuatin' it-self, down through the generations, westward the wagons, across the sands a time until-- aw, look at me, I'm ramblin' again. Wal, uh hope you folks enjoyed yourselves. Catch ya further on down the trail.

As we pull away The Stranger swivels in to the bar. As his
voice fades:


...Say friend, ya got any more a
that good sarsaparilla?...

 

If your free why you strapped to the computer? I got know this one? Who are you informing of Fredom?.... Tell me some civics?

Ochlocracy (aka: Mob Rule) — trusting of the instincts and power of large groups—no consistent civics at all.
Anarchism — no government or other hierarchy, a common ethical code enforced only by personal governance and voluntary association.
Minarchy — a minimal hierarchy—e.g. sometimes said to include eco-anarchism
Libertarianism — a philosophy based on the premise that in order to maximize personal freedom, society should value the acquisition of private property over the public good.
Direct democracy — decisions made directly by citizens without guidance or moral suasion, e.g. as advocated by H. Ross Perot, usually relying on multiple choice laid out by experts
Deliberative democracy — decisions made by locally-grouped citizens obligated to participate in consensus decision making process, e.g. as advocated by Ralph Nader
Bioregional democracy — a deliberative democracy regulated by a caste of highly-qualified scientific advisors (both ecologists and ethicists) who can use scientific method to challenge or veto major ecological decisions, means of measuring well-being or selecting criteria for moral purchasing by the entire bioregional state
Technocracy — reliance on castes of scientists, e.g. doctors to rule society, and define risk for the whole society - sometimes generalized into anticipatory democracy. Can be interpreted as leading to or including kleptocracy
Theocracy - government lead by religion, beliefs or culture. May be led by powerful religious figures such as the Pope and follows rules based on religious documents.
Aristocracy — general trust in one class in society to rule and protect, e.g. members of particular noble families that have worked for and/or defended the community across many generations (i.e. "old" money), upholding traditions, standards of living, art, culture, commerce, and defense. Not to be confused with plutocracy, where rule is based solely on financial wealth.
Constitutional monarchy — a monarch, possibly purely symbolic and devoted to moral example, avoiding vesting such popularity in any less trustworthy political figure—typically tied to at least some deliberative institutions, and making the monarch a tiebreaker or mediator or coach, e.g. Queen Elizabeth II and Tony Blair
Representative democracy — a political class of elected representatives is trusted to carry out duties for the electors - these may be responsible to any group in society, or none, once elected.
Absolute monarchy — a monarch who rules for life and can pass on this rule to his or her heirs, but is responsible to some social ideal or culture that has trained him or her to carry out these duties, e.g. Louis XIV, Hirohito, most dynastic Emperors, Augustus Caesar.
Dictatorship — a political or military ruler who has the powers of the monarch, but whose basis for rule is not hereditary, but based upon military or political power, or by popular election, e.g. Benito Mussolini, Napoleon Bonaparte, Adolf Hitler, Julius Caesar, Josef Stalin, Mao ZeDong.
Socialism - a broad array of ideologies and political movements with the goal of a socio-economic system in which property and the distribution of wealth are subject to control by the community for the purposes of increasing social and economic equality and cooperation.

 

Dev dev you and repo man i have to come over and watch it sometime

 

d-man, what was all that shit about Slaughterhouse 5!?!?!??!?!

 

I came to the same conclusion at your age. I just need to instill this sentiment into my depressed father. He's so set in his ways, seeing only depression where depression could easily not exist.

 

Just get him some hookers. And kittens.

 

good advice. but don't forget the weed

 

well think of the relation ship between a dog and its owner. the owner is required to take care of the dog (by walking it and feeding it, etc.). who is the real slave in the situation? the dog? or the master who has to serve the dog?