just seing what people thought on the subject of scottish independace, i mean theres a whole lot of things happening around the world with " restoring democracy" well how about in a european country? i mean its only been 300 years of oppresion
north sea oil being taken for england, not having the right of a soverign nation or that of self government, unfair tax systems imposed that are not in england, being the testing ground for new policies before implemented within the rest of the uk, 90% of troops in iraq and afghanistan are from scottish regiments when the majority of scotland and the micky mouse scottish MPs all opposed the war, lower health spending than the uk.
bur i guess the main thing is there are more people in london than in our entire country, no matter what we say we can be ignored, nobody gives a shit and england can to do to us what she wants
So you are subjected to England's ruling. You do not have your own specific Scotland Prime Minister? how does a country now go about its independence in modern times?
oh yes what england says we do, we have a first minister for scotland but he has no power. well put it this way if the USA was ruled by russia would you want independance and what would you do?
hmm I would fear for my country of canada I can see protests from politically minded people, but call me crazy, I dont feel like protests and rallies in the street mean much to the suits....who dont like commotion anyhow. Its fucked. And its SO HARD to impassion people.
yeah our closest neighbour apart from england is ireland and look what the english did there. but your honestly saying that if you had no way to be involved in the running of your country ( you are such a minority your vote is negligable) that your biggest concern would be your neighbour to the north?
Im saying I live in Canada, so if the mighty USA, our powerful ally, were under the Soveignty of Russia, I would would wonder what would happen up here. If Canada were under Russia, or anyone, I would probably brainstorm some guerilla political activism.
oh woops sorry just used to speaking to ppl from the us, yeah guerilla political activism is all good and well but as i said there are just over 6 million people in scotland, more people live in london alone, if ever single scottish person stood up england still wouldn't be forced to do anything, scottish media is from london, scottish power from england, telephone networks again england everything is in there hands and our voice doesn't mean shit. we need other people in other countries to help! i mean your the only person to respond so far and the reason i put the "i didn't know it wasn't" choice in was because most people dont. england blankets our fight and puts out a nice rosey image. yeah theres problems of dictators in the middle east and the lack of democracy and many people are willing to debate these issues but why not about a european country!
nice line from braveheart there, the political situation here is still the same as when william wallace was around only now we have cars instead of horses, maybe we should tell bush there is oil here and watch the troops land lol
So do you think the majority of Scots feel this way? Like the middle agers with families, who tend to be the most passive about making change etc?
the last opinion poll by the scottish national party showed 74% of scots in favor of independance, everyone i know young old male female left wing right wing in scotland wants scottish independance, i have never EVER spoken to one scottish person who wasn't in favour of it
first of man none of us have a ruler lol! we are our own personality as long as you are willing to live it and dont worry globalization will take care of nationalism before long i will say though i did watch a documentary not too long ago talking about iraq having a higher life expectancy than certain areas of scotland what i saw though in footage was a whole lot of young scots buying into the stereotype that they have no other choice but to be violent also does scotland have a notible army? arent you essentially relying on british protection? not that that at all justifies it im just saying you might underestimate how many of the scottish people have just accepted their lot and until they decide they have had enough nothing will change last point...any real hardships suffered in scotland are generally self-imposed there is plenty of opportunity there i would think providing you are open to the simple life
all that said im with you man but nothing is likely to change anywhere cuz most people i think dont even believe they deserve or are even capable of the kind of respect i think you probably imagine
there probably isn't anyplace, unless it was totally isolated for most of that time, that hasn't been living under one form of oppression for AT LEAST the past 300 years, if not a good bit longer then that. it may seem ironic, but to force national soverignties to return indipendent control to the localist possible levels is what we need a world government for, and the kind of world government we need is one that will keep eternally its highest priority that of doing so. yes i think everyplace should be an indipendent country, at least every environmental bioregeon. and every village, neighborhood and rural area, in no way prevented from going its entirely own and idiosycratic way idiologicly and every way else. the world level to keep borders open for every unarmed civilian everywhere. the bioregeonal nations to keep tangable infrastructure environmentally harmonious, all of them to keep the bussiness of bussiness from distroying everything and dictating people's lives. or any other form of idiological fanatacism. or any fanatacism of anything else either. oh yah, scotland, well of course it should be indipendent, to the degree that any all nations ought to be. even hawaii and samoa. and tibet. and sikkim. and miwakia, washoe, and maiduia. ireland, cymri, dalriada, ross and chrom, ... hell i don't mean to dilute this, but ALL major power nations are just way too damd hulking big. europe needs to unite to defend itself against america, so does the whole rest of the world. then this regeonal divesature, begining with the break up of the u.s. into bioregeonal national entities. and a u.n. with teeth, to prevent the kind of self serving super power bullying that has this world tied up into suicidal (by way of environmental degradation driven by indifference of economic intrest to the well being of real people, places and things, or even the survival of anything worth a dam) knots now. =^^= .../\...
essentially the brittish army is the scottish army, we are the troops in iraq and afghanistan they rely on us to fight there wars for them
