A better society (close to a utopia)

If everyone able to work, worldwide, would just be: assigned randomly to a job, forced to train prior to working it (if it's not one where you can be trained as you work), then forced to work it for no money, then everyone participating could live decently in a money-free society. Production of life's needed and wanted things would still go on under this being forced. All the things you normally pay for with money wouldn't cost a penny. All there has to be then is a regulation on how much of something you need or want you can purchase for free (yes, it'll be hooked up to an unhackable computer system that'll keep track of what all you can get for free so it can be regulated).

It would be one form of slavery in exchange for another form of slavery. Think about this: Money to earn a decent living (still slavery) vs forced to earn a decent living (still slavery). With one though there would be no one left behind without work for a decent living.

The penalty for not cooperating would limit you in getting what you want, but not what you absolutely need as a part of being human. And you'd be confined for a specific amount of time in a prison for punishment with having to do some forced labor still until it's seen you are ready to conform to the new society. In such the kind of society I doubt ppl would choose not to cooperate.

Think about it... Everyone would be treated equal in the process of this new society. And if you dont do well in your first randomly assigned job you'll be simply transferred to another randomly assigned job. Training for any randomly assigned job would of course be free since you'd be apart of a productive society, where everyone is helping everyone whether they like it or not. Also in such the kind of society you can do work that you're not forced to do aside from the work you're forced to do.

What do you think? Would you conform to such a society? Would such a society work better than this current society in how it is?

 

Oh and ppl that arent able to work in this new kind of society get a free pass because there either too young, too old, or too disabled to work. The stuff they need/want would still be regulated to keep the society in check/balance. Wouldnt want some ppl with way too much free stuff than what the others are able to have that could have went to someone else.

The kind of society I think would be called a "civil forced society" or a "forced civil society" (or else what would it be called?). In this current society you are already being forced to make money for survival. Like why not just cut the middle illusion (money) out? If it takes money then it dont make sense.

 

Congratulations... another idiotic post from you. Sounds like you would make good company for Stalin or Hitler. Anytime you use words like "forced," you are talking about slavery -- not freedom.

I am starting to wonder if you are even serious when you write these threads, or are just deliberately talking out your ass to get a reaction.

Look back at history. The system you are advocating does not work.

 

In a money based society no one is actually free because they "have to" work for money to make it. And it takes that earned money to only TRY to be free from any legal situation you're unfortunately crossed with. Turn the tables differently and all lawyers to defend you in a court of law are free to help you out. Now wouldn't that be better off? Wouldnt it be better off to be this kind of slave rather than the current kind of trapped slave? In the current form of modern day slavery you're a slave to the system and a puppet to its money. I tell you, in such the new kind of society the court system wouldnt be so unfair by far any further. They wouldnt be able to get away with it with all the free help to fight for justice. The court system is the back bone to so much of the injustice and modern day slavery going on in the world today. Some ppl are stuck paying child support when under my kind of new society they wouldnt have to. The benifits outweigh the kind of discomfort in being forced to simply work.

Plus, isnt everyone sick of having to pay taxes? And isnt everyone sick of gold diggers (tricks and pimps)? I bet folks are tired of being pimped and scamed for money.

I ought to make a name for the types of slavery so ppl can see which bracket they are already in and which bracket they'd rather be in. Face it, life is slavery one way or the motherfucking other. You just got to pick and choose the lesser evil.

 

According to whom?

Are the indigenous tribes of the Amazon slaves to any artificial and imposed system?

Your problem is that, for whatever reason, you can't see people functioning without parasitic elitists, who have relegated themselves as gods, lording over them. This type of system will only result in suffering and enslavement every time. Slavery is slavery. Either you are free or you're not.

Throughout history, the role of government has never been to help the people, but to make sure that the many at the bottom are kept in line, working and paying their taxes, so that the few at the top can continue living in luxury. You say you're against money, so why do you continue supporting a system that goes hand-in-glove with the money system?

You advocate a system where others have the natural right to rule over others, which is EXACTLY what we have with this current system. Who makes the rules in a system, and what gives them the right to make these rules and enforce them? These are the questions you should be asking yourself.

How is the system you advocate any better than the current one? It still requires people to keep the public in line so that system will work for those implementing it and making all the rules. I mean, after all, you even use terms like "forced" and "slavery." You openly admit it's slavery!

 

The only person who rules you, should be yourself. No one else.

Isn't that a beautiful idea?

Sovereignty over your own damn body and mind!

In a perfect system, no one tells anyone else what to do. Only suggest. When I need help, I will ask, otherwise, I might not want to hear but am still open to other ideas at the least. Doesn't that make sense? Sure beats these jerks lording over us and imposing unjust rules that only 3% of the world agrees on.

I agree with the no money part.

If you scale down your ideas - maybe it is feasible in a way. For example: I plant food for my sister, she makes me a winter shirt...My gf cooks, I chop firewood...stuff like that, having a small community of friends and family who share chores. Improving yourself and finding back what SHOULD be instinct, living off the land, farming, doing for those close to you and them doing for you in return. Famalies befriending other famalies, ect. No money, it could be done. Skills can provide everything you need. If you can farm, sew/knit and hammer/chop, that is a very good start!

 

Can I help rule this society?

 

No matter what the system, you "have to" work, whether for moner, barter, trade, or simple survival. At least I have the freedom to choose what work I will do, and the freedom to stay where I am, or change my situation. I would choose that over your system of slavery any day.
I am all for Tort Reform, cival libraties, and a "hands off" government, and I will work towards that end. But what you suggest has been tried before, is easily corrupted, and simply will not work.

 

Yeah that would be GREAT !!! Everyday you hear from your master's "GET UP SLAVES !!! IT'S TIME TO WORK !!!" - Peace would finally exist !!!

You might as well just go along with the government's plan for world domination because what you typed out is exactly what your going to get !

So the OP will be one happy person LOL

 

The world's leaders need to all get together and make this ideal scenerio happen. The next batch of world leaders, following, would be elected just as well as how it is now, and would all make no money too just like the rest of us because money under this kind of new society would become all so useless. Say good-bye to puppets, and let true colors of individuals flash forth.

Under this kind of new civil forced society the higher the damand for things go up the more productivity will simply go up. That's work for everybody abled to work. There will always be something for the ppl to do. Work worldwide would be forced part-time labor. Full time labor would be voluntary only. All self ran businesses (since just about everybody would have the means to run a business they came up with) or extra education would be optional for anyone as long as they themselves still conform to the random assigned part-time job.


Since ppl are assigned randomly to training/jobs it would cut any possible discrimination off at the source. This new kind of society would prevent this kind of discimination.

And this spells economic genius in the making because all nations' debt would wiped away. Money related sanctions would be cast away for good. Less stress on a nation equals less war to no war as the possibility.

Picture health care for all worldwide. Think of all the 'pay nobody' to travel you get to have to and from anywhere on the globe.


With freedom of movement, which everybody will finally have (because remember under the money related society it took having money inorder to do certain things like move around), you can relocate to anywhere in the world and still get yourself a similar assigned job as the previous or another randomly assigned job with training to train for prior.

^^^And it's all worth simply being forced to work a random job.

 

that sounds terrible.


utopia(for me at least) would be governmentless. everyone would be armed with a pistol and would learn how to use it responsibly as early in their life as practically possible. strong familiar bounds would be encouraged in a culture that valued individuality, personal responsibilty and social cohesion in that order. trade and barter would replace money and gold. there would be no civil rights, gay rights, minority rights, women's rights, ONLY HUMAN RIGHTS and no distinction between one individual and the next beyond a form of non-heirarchical meritocracy. respect(deserved by deed and social appeal) would be the ultimate status symbol. scholars, doctors, skilled tradesmen, merchants, and scientists would be highly valued. the largest religion would be natural theology and practical philosophy. work would be play and play would be work. if it made you unhappy and miserable to do for 40 hours a week then convential wisdom would be adhered to and only a fool would continue that pursuit. poverty would be abolished as the idea of a monopoly on anything(land resources ect) would be viewed as impractical and highly immoral. no one own's more than theirselves and the product of their labor. of course you could get into slippery territory when you have a large number of people work on a single project but i think that skilled trade unions and guilds would be far more practical than employer - employee relations.
and so on.

think wild west meets d&d meets star wars meets peacful native american tribe.

a free people(trully free not slaves to bureaucrats, kings, clergy or merchants) will naturally (organically) create a free society, you cant force equility or respect and indoctrination only goes so far(especially when you have to watch the watchers).

it'll never happen of course, that's why it's utopic.

 

http://slumz.boxden.com/showthread.php?t=974937

^ Is this you Sign Related, same name and identical posts, just wondering?

 

If any of you think ppl would slack off in productivity or call in sick as much as possible to work the least in this civil forced society, then have I got news for you... The remedy would be right there awaiting...

With everyone able to see a doctor, if sick or having some kind of problem, it can be prooven whether or not they are truely sick or having some kind of problem. If they are lieing then it would be seen as them not conforming to this new kind of society, and then they'd be facing the penalty I mentioned.

The ppl's work performance must be monitored by other's forced to work as supervisors... So if they dont do well to meet at least an average standard in working productively, depending on the kind of job, they'll be simply re-assigned to another random job and have to train.

^^^Throw in a three strikes law and you're not allowed to be re-assigned over three times, but will simply have to face the penalty, or otherwise, conform to the latest assigned job to avoid the penalty.

^^^And that lil tweek ties up the loose ends.

Add:

As for location of the randomly assign job...like whether it's in the city you want it to be or not...depends first on the availability of a job in the area desired by you. So ppl do get some fair chance like how it is now. A sure preference that will go into consideration. If they are furtunate or lucky they'll get the randomly assigned job where they want it to be at.

 

lets all CONFORM to sign related twisted thought of reality! every one ready to CONFORM?

 

Who would be put in charge of your dictatorship, SR?

 

this plan fails to take in to consideration...well...alot of things...but particularly natural talents and people who feel called to do certain work. i say nay.

 

What I want, almost to a T. minus the required pistols. at least I wouldn't put as much emphasis on that. At the same time, I am still thinking of an alternative and would still include them in my perfect society as of now.

Anyways, I've tried saying it before, but you said it better than I could by a little bit.

kudos, you have a way with words.

 

pistols wouldnt be mandatory few if anything would be mandatory. it would just be cultural thing to know how to use one and never have to use it. and martial arts would be taught as earlier as possible as well, each individual would know the rudimentary basics of personal defense. not mandatory though you either learn at the free workshops or not but in a society that moneyless it becomes difficult to convince other people to risk their lives for you when you wont take the steps to learn to protect yourself. that's also how we keep armies and corporations at bay, why work/fight for another when you can do for self? like they say: wars are started by rich old bastards and fought by young poor guys.

there would be no place for greed, not because it would be outlawed or anything, you can be greedy if you want, you just might have a very hard time convincing others to follow your orders. why should they? we could have a post scarcity society today without any kind of commutarian collectivist nightmare if people put their priorities in proper place. if we stood up for ourselves as individuals each with a god given(or nature given or whatever) right to own ourselves and no other. only individuals can bee free. we could be living free healthy and happy today. the only reason that we dont is because people are still willing to live and die to maintain status quo, even when status quo isnt to their individual advantage.

that's why i still have hope. i believe deep inside no one wants to be controlled, everyone wants to have a purpose and meaning in life, and that controlling others is pathological and eventually we will understand that.

slave to none, master of none. refuse to be controlled or to control. your freedom ensures mine. eventually enough individuals are giong to get sick of being overmedicated, unhealthy, fearful, and poor and they will not need a vangaurd or a political party or a "movement". they'll just know that it's all shit and shits gotta change. they'll say you know what, i'm not an environmentalist i just hate working so hard to breathe all because the air quality sucks, i hate working so many hours a day for a slip of paper at the end of the week, doing shit i dont want to do. i can grow my own food, i can make my own shelter, this ipod doesnt enhance my quality of life and i don't understand why i have to sit in front iof a screen all day at work and then go home and sit in front of a screen when i'm not at work, i have a buddy that knows how to do that and another that knows how to do this and if we can work out an arrangment, food and shelter cared for i can see things i never thought i could, who needs vacation time and sick leave and all that bullshit...

freedom.

freedom of movement, of speech, to meet peacefully with whoever you wish, to love who you want, to live how you want.

to stop being so damn dependent.

stop being so materialistic.

see that's why socialism and the whole leftist thing isnt enough, it's to focused on material resources, on fairness. there a spiritual and personal side to mankind that is getting the shit beat out of it right now.

you dont have to force people to like each other if you can get them to like themselves enough to stand up for themselves.

help people to feel secure in the world around them and they wouldnt lash out with all their schizo insecurities.

a person who is happy with who they are and their place in the world has no reason to feel threatened by anyone and so is not a threat to anyone. nurture the individual and you will have a utopia custom made for individuals. which is everyone so we all win.

 

haha is this a joke?

 

Sr, maybe. But everyone else seems to have some interesting things to say.

What, you've never thought of your ideal society?

Shane - that I can agree with, in regards to the pistols. Agree 100% on the martial arts for sure.