The Meaning of life

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  1. Elliott

    Elliott Banned

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    if the meaning of Life is the preperation for eturnatly then what does life mean to you?
     
  2. verseau_miracle

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    Huh? lol sorry im not well at the moment and my fever makes me confused easily. Are you asking what the meaning fo life is to us?
     
  3. jonny2mad

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    well that i die and rot and my atoms get used to build other things
     
  4. lithium

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    Ultimately the purpose of life in all its varieties is to propagate and replicate itself by genetic heredity. Proximately we are driven by seeking comfort and pleasure and avoiding pain, as determined by the dictates of our genetic heredity in order to better our chances of succesfully replicating our genome.

    None of this is a meaning though, it's a mistake to assume that life has "meaning", it's all just stuff that happens in this crazy random washing machine of matter and energy we call a universe:)
     
  5. verseau_miracle

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    Ahh, cool, an opportunity to spew my bullshit views to you all:D Im very ill at the moment though and can barely speak English...as if trying to explain ones take on the meaning of life isnt difficult enough...but ill give it a go

    Im inclined to believe there is deep meaning, some kind of mission. Its just the way my mind works
    I see it like a progression, like an evolution of the mind and soul, through lessons learnt and all that stuff, im sure youve heard it before

    Missions vary from person to person, obviously, but the one thing we have in common for the most part i think is our need to learn about Love, and the many trials and errors this brings

    I dont think mistakes are to be avoided at all costs, and i dont think we should fear suffering and challenge so much (obviously up to a point) Because i believe this is where our strength comes from and part of the mission, to become stronger.

    Exaclty WHY were supposed to learn and grow and become stronger and more complete i dont exactly know, other than to fulfil our own desires and become more at one as a species and a planet. Whats the end goal? Whos ever even come near to answering that? Maybe we and the Earth are like an organ in one giant body and were keeping it going and growing, or maybe thats just my fever. Maybe there is no end goal

    Im really finding it difficult to find the words. Im going to sleep now. I think theres a meaning though and its something resembling what i just said. Maybe. Il come back post-illness:)
     
  6. Elliott

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    thats an interesting concept. i dont think i nessisarily aviod pain. cause somtimes we're broken down to be changed. for example.

    your in a relationship and things arent the way you want them to be. you just know it isnt right but you consumed by dependancy or something like...

    you know you need to break it of but its going to hurt. do you stay with thenm and feed both of your dependancy or do you break it of and suffer the pain for the greater good?

    you break it off cause you know in your heart what is right...

    well thats what id do...i suppose not everyone would share my oppinion
     
  7. Elliott

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    i just meant IF the meaning of life is preparaion for life eternal...ie afterlife. then what would that mean to your life now.

    not asking if you believe that it is that cause but what if?
     
  8. verseau_miracle

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    Well now thats difficult...i guess my life now could BE PART of the "life eternal", if that were to exist, so itd basically mean just go on as usual!

    I find it difficult to believe all these lessons and etc (see above) could be learnt in such a short lifespan. Even if you live to 80, 90, 100 or beyond in the "grand scheme" im guessing thats a tiny, tiny miniscule amount, microscopic even on the timeline of life. And were down here on Earth in physical form, it doesnt seem to make sense that we do this once for 80 tiny years (or more or less) and then become airy spirits or live somewhere totally different forever. It makes the whole exercise seem very very pointless. Maybe it is. Im open to possibility. Just ive always thought it wasnt

    Uhm, as i siad, ill be back:)
     
  9. lithium

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    Define "life eternal"
     
  10. lithium

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    It helps to be aware that the reasons we give ourselves for why we are behaving in a certain way are not always accurate, in fact I think it's fair to say they are rarely accurate, more like sophistries and after-the-fact rationalisations, there are findings from experimental psychology which suggest this. We tend to act largely according to unconscious processes and later become aware of how we are acting and try to tell ourselves a coherent story about ourselves and how our behaviour fits into a logical pattern.

    So largely, although simplifying to the extreme, I think "avoiding pain and seeking pleasure" with the ultimate aim of survival and reproduction pretty much explain the way we act, though I may be guilty of somewhat greedy reductionism:)
     
  11. jehst

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    ^^ this sums it up pretty well. but not everyone fits this pattern. what about people that commit suicide? they are overcoming everything their DNA is telling them to do
     
  12. lithium

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    This is a very interesting question!:D In fact they are overcoming just a part of what their DNA is telling them to do (be aware of the gross oversimplification of DNA "telling you what to do", all it does it give an aggregate propensity for certain behaviours above others). There are instances in which evolved behaviours like self-pity, depression, the wish to emotionally punish loved ones, etc are valuable and will aid survival. For example depression is an unpleasant experience which may tend to make a person stop doing something harmful which is causing their depression, self-pity may make you realise something you want to change about the way you act, emotional punishment and blackmail may make others change their behaviour towards you. In some extreme cases these evolved behaviours which are in their mild form and on aggregate valuable behaviours to have for the average person may 'misfire' or express too strongly and the side-effect is that for some people these will have the unfortunate effect of cancelling out the rest of what your genes are attempting to do - survive and procreate.

    As long as on average a behaviour betters a gene's chances of survival and replication by as little as perhaps 1% it can still provide a positive selection pressure and be successfully passed on.
     
  13. mellowthyme

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    The meaning of life?

    I heard it was 42.
     
  14. dapablo

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    I don't think meaning has any rational either. I enjoy the art of consideration though.
     
  15. shirley

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    The only purpose we have on Earth is to reproduce.
     
  16. Quoth the Raven

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    Ah, that's the Answer, but what's the Question?

    Life is inherently devoid of meaning. People make their own meaning, but very often come to the false conclusion that there is "objective" meaning to the universe.
    For myself, I haven't decided yet. I just enjoy life :D
     
  17. 0817

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    Everyone's life has a unique meaning, so noone can tell you what the meaning of your life is but yourself...
     
  18. dapablo

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    There's only one way of life and thats your own, as the man said
     
  19. phoenix_indigo

    phoenix_indigo dreadfully real

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    42

    *edit*
    mellowthyme understands :)
     
  20. Elliott

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    i can see where your coming from. and i agree with your point from your point of reference.

    what you you say IF you were wrong and the concept of authority rather than coming from rationalism would instead come from spiritualism or even just from your cultural heritige.

    those are two other points of authority to consider.

    rationalism is just one...
     

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