DEFINITELY MORNING GLORY/HBWR GUIDE (extraction etc.)

uplink · Jan 17, 2007

sis
I found this online. It's by far the best guide I have found. It is specifically about Morning Glories, but most of the information also applies to Baby Woodrose. I have bolded the part I found the most interesting.

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The Complete Morning Glory FAQ 1.0.0 Part I
PHYSICAL DYNAMICS
Preparation: best method
Operational Guidelines
Chemical Hypothesis & Alternative preparation methodologies
Morning Glory Wine
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Q. How do you prepare morning glory seeds to best activate their psychedelic
properties?

A.
Here is a simple way to process morning glory seeds which produces the best
possible results as well:

Equipment:
Coffee Grinder or equivalent to powder seeds
2 Jars with Lids
1 Coffee Filter or Funnel
Coffee Filters or Filter Paper

Chemical/Biological:
Morning Glory Seeds (1 seed = ~ 1ug) (50-500ug=1 dose)
Petroleum Ether
Ethanol-based liquid suitable for human consumption
in approximate order of preference:
Reagent Grade Ethanol
EverClear or similiar substance
100 Proof or better vodka or gin
151 Proof rum
other beverages 80 proof or better
- or -
Water-based beverages (not preferred (nausea))

Processing Methodology:
0) If using treated seeds wash thoroughly in detergent and cold water
first.
1) Grind seeds to powder in coffee grinder
2) Place powder in jar with a "healthy" qty of petroleum ether.
(~360-500 ml/500 seeds (can't use too much, can use too little))
3) Put lid on jar and shake it vigorously for a while. Let stand 20
minutes (you can shake it more if you like)
4) Shake jar, remove lid, and pour suspension into filter (with filter
paper in place). Use second jar to catch the petroleum ether than comes
through the filter paper. (Windows should be open or do this outside
otherwise you will get prematurely <stoned> in a non-canonical fashion).
If some seed powder clings to the side of the jar, rinse it out with
some of the filtered ether. When finished, you will have slightly
discolored petroleum ether in a jar and the powder on the filter paper.
5) *** DO NOT DRINK THE PETROLEUM ETHER ***. Put the lid on that jar and
save it to reuse next time (you can get at least five processing cycles
out of it). Dry the seed powder THOROUGHLY. Wash and dry the empty jar.
6) When powder is thoroughly dry, place it back in the jar and add
alcohol. The amount of alcohol is critical, since you will be drinking
it later, and will vary according to your propensities, tolerances,
and the intended intensity of your proposed voyage. For light,
recreational use, assuming reasonable alcohol tolerance use 1 oz. <shot>
of alcohol per 30-50 seeds. For intense meditation use 1 <shot>/250
seeds. If you use a high seed/alcohol ratio you will want to prepare a
large number of seeds at a time otherwise you will be working with
micro-quantities and it gets more tedious (unless you like that sort
of thing).
7) Soak the seed powder in the alcohol, shaking frequently, for three days.
8) Filter again, as before. Discard the seed powder (unless you wish to
make 'soap'). Keep the alcohol for use.
9) Drink the alcohol to achieve desired effect.

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Q. What kinds of morning glory seeds can be used?
A. Heavenly Blues (most common), Pearly Gates, and Flying Saucers are all
known to be effective.
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Operational Methodology
Q. Why is this method superior to others?
A. The virtue of this processing methodology will become clear if you sip a bit
and hold it in your mouth before swallowing. VOILA: Instant Experience! No
wait, no wondering "Did I do enough?". Because lysergic acid amides are
soluble in ethanol, and because ethanol passes through mucus membranes
directly to the blood stream, the effect is virtually instantaneous. Because of
this, you can carefully meter the intensity of your experience in the same
way you can with hemp.

Q. How long will it last?
A.
Your voyage will last the standard 8-12 hours. The morning glory experience
is clean, pure, intense and particularly enjoyable out of doors in the
daytime (drink at dawn). This is the preferred hour for the flower and seems
to be preferred for its tincture as well (this is coming from a confirmed
<night person>). (Night trips are cool too, but the sun does interesting
things in the daytime)
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Chemical Hypothesis and Alternative Preparations
Q. I tried morning glory seeds and only got a headache and blurred vision.
Q. I tried morning glory seeds and got sick to my stomach
Q. What do you know about this anyway?
A.
My personal experience with morning glory seeds began in June of 1958, the day
I graduated from eighth grade. Herb Caen had written something to the effect
that "If you eat 100 morning glory seeds, you will go to morning glory heaven.
Heavenly Blues, Pearly Gates, and Flying Saucers will do the trick.." A friend
of mine had read this and invited a bunch of people to her house to try it
out. I was the only person who managed to eat a full hundred, but probably
didn't chew them enough and had only mild effects. Since then I have tried
many ways of preparing them, and this is far and away the best. There are a
number of approaches that are downright horrible.

Based on my experiences I believe the following to be true (though am
wide-open to getting "scientific"/factual refutation/corroboration. In
addition to the lysergic amides present in the seeds, there are two chemicals
or chemical complexes which are toxic. One of these, relatively mild, is
associated with nausea and is contained in the seed pulp. This is soluble
in water and will form long 'strands' in it which are clearly visible.
This material can be processed into a kind of 'soap' which lathers somewhat.
It is not soluble in alcohol nor petroleum ether. This is evidenced by soaking
the spent powder in water.

A second chemical or complex is much more malicious. Ingesting it results in
headache, blurred and 'fish-eye' vision, and it also seems to counteract the
psychedelic effect. For lack of a better term with the expectation that it
is chemically non-descriptive, we will call this the 'strychnine effect' and
the associated compound(s) the 'strychnine factor'. This factor is contained
in the seed husk and is miscible with petroleum ether but only slightly
soluable in water. If you chew the seeds you break the husk but do not
usually chew it well enough to digest. Same thing if you pulverize the seeds
with a hammer or similiar instrument before eating or swallowing. In both
cases, the 'strychnine effect' is not observed except as background. However
the high is not as lucid and bright as when the factor is removed. On the
other hand, if you grind the seeds into powder and do not remove the
'styrchnine factor' with petroleum ether (or other solvent(?)) but ingest the
powder itself, you will experience the 'strychnine effect' in great and
unpleasant intensity. If you put the powder in water, filter the water, and
drink it (effectively the traditional method for indigenous peoples), the
nausea factor will be pronounced, but the 'strychnine effect' will be weak.

The only approach that effectively eliminates both side-effects is the one
described above. The additional benefits provided by this method beyond the
immediate high effect will be discussed in Part 2.0.0 of this FAQ.
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Q. Does this method extract LSD-25 from morning glories?
A. Strictly speaking, No. Morning glories prepared this way do not provide
anything like *pure LSD-25*. Instead, you get a complex of various lysergic
acid alkaloids which are psychoactive to varying degrees in isolation, but
which taken together produce a full blown psychedelic experience no less
powerful than that produced by LSD.

Q. If this is true, wouldn't it be better to refine the chemistry further
to isolate/synthesize pure LSD?

A. The question of the value of additional chemical processing is a subject
open to discussion and possible experimentation. IMHO, only, it is
unnecessary and hence undesirable.
This is from the engineering perspective <if it ain't broke, don't fix it>
and from the naturalist perspective as well <organic is better than synthetic,
tread lightly on the earth>.
The additional effort required to produce pure d-lysergic diethylamide
tartrate is not work I have done myself and will not be discussed here.
I personally feel there is a much more fruitful opportunity in exploring
additional herbs which may be macerated along with the seeds. Various such
have been tried with varying results. Possibilities include ginseng, damiana,
kava, nutmeg, psycilocybe, valerian, yage, etc.
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Morning Glory Wine
Q. Is there anything else you can do with morning glories?
A.
The flowers of the morning glory may be steeped in water for a week or two to
produce a mildly alcoholic wine with a distinctively pleasant flavor and very
mild psychedelic effect, on the order of hemp. Once again herbs and/or honey
can be added to good effect.
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uplink · Jul 26, 2007

daveyjones1 · Jul 27, 2007

i am sooo trying this!

framesh1ft · Jul 27, 2007

It isn't instant, and the higher substituted lysergamides might not be absorbed sublingually. Other than that it is a decent (if a bit pseudoscienceish) write up and method.

uplink · Aug 1, 2007

when you drink alcohol you get that burning sensation in your mouth, i thought that might be the ethanol eating away at the tissue in your mouth, causeing microscopic cuts in your mouth, thus allowing the lysergamides to travel into your blood stream with the ethanol.

just an idea... I don't know if it's true.

but what makes you so sure that it wouldn't work, frameshift?

maddhatter · Sep 9, 2007

where can i find petroleum ether?

Geneity · Sep 9, 2007

VM&P Naphtha can be found at most hardware stores, it's exactly what you need.

thetrippyhippy · Sep 9, 2007

Yea, that's what I use, works great.

The_Man_On_The_Hill · Sep 9, 2007

Where can you get Reagent Grade Ethanol? I've personally never heard of it...

Geneity · Sep 9, 2007

Probably from some crazy chemical supply place. I've never seen it either, I've only heard of it once or twice.

Sensei · Sep 9, 2007

was the title really supposed to be definitely? or definitive?

uplink · Sep 10, 2007

definitive... i can't change it.

Autobot · Sep 16, 2007

Ok, if you hold it in your mouth, how long?
Just a few seconds?
Also must you swallow the liquid then?
I mean I like alcohol (probably too much) however, I would like to experience this without the alcohol buzz (even though I know the buzz won't last that long).

mati · Sep 18, 2007

another method for removing the strichnine effect is to soak the seeds in water overnight until they absorb enough to where you can pinch one end and the insides will pop out of the husk that contains the strichnine. This is what I have done and if you want to combine it with the above method you might want to crush the insides up and dry the material before doing the alcohol wash

C123-473 · Sep 30, 2007

I wonder if xylol can be substituted for the Naphtha.
Both are non-polar solvents.

Seems strange that people would be searching for alternative sources of naphtha (lighter fluid, coleman stove fuel, etc.) if xylol was an easy substitute.

I guess one way to find out is to experiment.

I can't believe that nobody has tried it yet.

minimalglitch · Dec 14, 2007

This seems great but I am curious why the author put 100 proof vodka or gin over Bacardi 151 in the preference order. Wouldn't the higher alcohol percentage always be better regardless of the type of booze? The alcohol itself is the same, chemically speaking, is it not? Less pure alcohol like 100 proof vodka or gin would always mean less effective, right, or is there something I do not know about rum?

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