The Kingdom of Heaven lies within...

What do these words mean to you? What are your interpretation of them?

When I hear these words, I think that what Jesus was trying to say to his disciples was to stop looking for god outside of themselves. The divine lies within each and every one of us. It means that each individual is capable of finding their own salvation, using Jesus as an example. I don't think Jesus ever meant to be worshipped, but rather, he wanted people to learn from his life. Look within yourself and you will see that the joys of heaven are already present; you are just blind to them...

Peace and love

 

You've got it.

The door is within you to access the greater reality. To go outward is just to bounce around inside of your own cocoon.

The way out, is in.


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Wow, this guy just won't stop. He's speaking about Jesus as if the man personally came up to him when he died and said 'xenon, I want you to have my brain... in fact, I want you to be the new Son of God, and spread our message of peace, love and utterly pointless bullshit to everyone on hipforums.'

 

Are you refering to yourself?
All the posts I have read this far from you are uttrely pointless bullshit for everyone on hipforums.
Nothing but complaints about others and pointless story's.

Close-minded you are... you seem to want to have a monopoly on the truth, but it's entirely fictional and pure your own opinion... and other are not allowed to believe their own.
Best not to speak at all dear man.

 

I suppose if I'd pointlessly repeated how Christianity is bullshit and all of its followers are deluded sheep then I would have gotten away with it, right?

 

i dont see why people have to make up all these theories about divinity etc. and things which we have no certainty over.
can you not just live without talking about stuff you dont even know.

 

No,
if someone keeps doing that without (trying to) making points, then I would say it's indeed pointless (bwahaha).

However, if you can make points that are discussable, then it is far from pointless.
Besides, you are moaning about pointless posts, and how would you call the posts about that? Are they not even more pointless and add no value at all?
Hypocrisy sucks...

 

I am not a dualist such as yourself.

Where you see yourself as apart from God, I see myself as a part of God.

What is a "son of God" but someone who has come to this realization?


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YES! You totally know me. I am a dualist. I believe in black and white, up and down, left and right, over and under, male and female. You can actually read my rants about how everything is dual on this site, because I honestly can't go long without exploding into a rant about how everything has two sides.

Which is obviously a very healthy way to look at things.

Your whole 'guru' act is about as convincing as a 1-800-psychic number. Yu act as if you've already achieved Nirvana and now everyone is supposed to listen to you in order to get there, all the while dropping generic quotes like:

"This is the realization that all must come to."
"All things must follow their own path."
"All things exist within themselves."
"We are God, and God is us. We are one."
"I seek the truth that all in their own fashion seek."
"The answer lies within."

Basically, take a couple lines from some George Harrison songs, add in some superficial pop culture perversions of Eastern religions, passed through the decades all the way from the brief fascination in the 1960s...

You're like the typical do-it-yourself hippie guru... just keep talking about paths and ways, drop a couple mentions of love being the only answer you need... it's all just so predictible and boring!

Real monks aren't spaced-out acid casualties... they're disciplined! Getting somewhere spiritually takes a lot of work... it's not as easy as just repeating the same shit over and over as if you're already there...

 

If I was already "there", how would you know?

Simple, basic truths are what compose the path. They are repeated because they NEVER change. Religion dresses them up to the point they can no longer be seen.

Religions are born from people who have had their own encounter with the divine. The people who attempt to carry that message forward without that same encounter will be unable to get very far. This is the state of religion today. Nothing but confusion. No leadership. The ones who try are nothing more than clerks. The blind leading the blind.

If you prefer to put your faith in a book, more power to you. See how far you get. My holy books set on the shelf gathering dust where they've been for many years now. Their fires have gone out while mine still burns within.

I don't proselytize. I don't recruit members. I don't accept money. I have nothing to gain or lose by saying what I say.

I do so because I can.

To be able to experience what so many others cannot is like trying to describe a beautiful sunset to someone who has been blind from birth. As you have never seen one yourself, you will hold what I say about them in disbelief.

I don't want people to have faith in what I say to them. I want them to come to that level within so they can see it for themselves. No faith required.

I invite you there.



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God, for a lack of a better term, lives within us all. Most are blind to the fact that we are divine.

BTW, dualism sucks. Live in apparent paradoxes. It's much more fun that way.

Right on, Xenon, I agree with your last couple posts.

Peace and love

 

It is interesting that almost no one answered the question posed. What did Jesus mean? How can we relate Jesus's words to our own life? IMHO, that is what Christianity (done correctly) should be about. Taking Jesus's deep messages and relating them to our everyday life.

Peace and love

 

Actually, that part of the scroll got a little burned when some drunken Romans one night in 57 AD decided to persecute some Christian women... it used to read 'The Kingdom of Heaven lies within the Baghavad Gita... SUCKERS!'.

 

xexon, why do you use an un-christian idol for your avatar? Do you know what shiva represents?

 

What does it represent?

Peace and love

 

shiva is viewed as a supreme deity in hinduism.
All I am saying is that if one is going to preach the merits of a particular spiritual path, especially an intolerantly exclusive one, then perhaps one should not represent oneself as a supreme deity from an entirely different path. I'm just saying.

 

If that symbol strikes his fancy, who's to say that he can't use it? I think Shiva is pretty cool, from the studying that I have done about hinduism and tantra.

Peace and love

 

I believe that the lord lives in us all and will drag us out of jams like my 4 wheel drive drags me out of deep dirt. He died for our sins and preformed miracles in his lifetime on earth. The savior says "ask and you shall receive" so that means everytime someone prays the lord listens no matter how long it takes for a prayer to be answered but some he puts on hold and some he doesn't answer at all because he knows whats right, and praying to have a dope plant is one of them he says no to. Jesus looks out for us even when bad things happen because one day good will come out of it. I would have never found Jesus if I didn't end up an alcoholic and start going to AA.

 

Counrtyboy, I believe "ask and you shall receive" is
referring to those who are already able to
communicate with God during there silent reflections.
He was saying that if we put the Love of God before
everything else, all things that we need, not that we
desire, is provided for us afterwards. -

 

i got a whole different interpretation. i believe christ was speaking of the holy spirit.

in matthew, when he's telling the story about the friend with three loaves, i see this as asking to be put on the path that leads to god and enlightenment. especially because of what he says right after he says 'everyone that asks recieves, seek and find, knock, and it will be opened'. that was 'matthew's' interpretation of it.


it seems that jesus spoke of many types of prayer. this is the first type of prayer on the path to enlightenment, whether you believe in the 'Father' god or whatever definition of 'god' you choose. the kingdom of heaven lies within, but one can only reach it only after they make a conscious effort to find it.