My own religion...

Emotion is the realm of the human mind, not the soul. The soul has no real limitation except it can't merge with the godhead until it gives up it's individual perception.

My ego is fully intact, and I use it as need be. I'm not Mr. Spock, I'm every bit as human as you are. I swat at flies and shake my fist at drivers that cut me off just like you do.

The only difference between you and I is the hole in the fence that I look through is a bit larger than yours. I see a little more.

Thats all there is too it really.


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There literally is no limit to them. Creation is VAST.

Right now, I'm anchored here, but it doesn't mean that I'm not aware of the other places.


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LISTEN to yourself.

How could you possibly have eliminated, suppressed, or transcended your ego when you're on the biggest ego trip ever?!

To me it sounds like you just get off on talking down to people.

I fully and completely believe that there is more to the world-- I mean, it's obvious that I'm not the be-all end-all of everything, and in no position to make conclusions about how things are in the greater cosmos, but I know when someone isn't who they claim to be, or isn't who they think they are.

I've met TRULY spiritual people and they were always BRIMMING with humility. None of them would ever shamelessly wallow in the notion that their worldview is superior to all or most others...

 

Yeah xexon. You WREAK of ego. It stinks. If you are enlightened shut up about it before you disappear up your own arse.

what kind of enlightened person taps away incessantly on a keyboard on "hipfroums" going ON and ON and ON and ON about he's superior to others because he has the ultimate answer?

HAHAHA! You're like a super nerd egotistical hippy. Do you commune with the oneness and infinity through your internet connection?

Since you've transcended to such a state why aren't you dead or doing more important things that typing away on online forums with some flashing avatar?

 

one that looks through a window larger than someone does not feel the need to mention that s/he is looking through a larger window.

what you say above seems more like a self-affirmation, or wishing, prayer of sorts - its like subconsciously saying 'i want to look through a larger window'.

but the way you are doing it is extremely annoying other fellow human beings, who are not bigots or radicals - which directly implies that what you are doing is undesirable.

 

I feel that what Xenon is doing is sharing his personal Truth. So what if you disagree with him, it doesn't mean that you have to drive him away with your self-righteous bable about being ego. Nothing he has said sounds ego driven to me. He is trying to share the expierence that has gotten him to the point he is at and trying to help you reach that same point.

Let's us this analogy. He has just learned how to swim and he sees people struggling in the water. Of course he is going to try to help them learn how to swim. It seems like those people would rather drown than consider what he has said.

Enough of that. I know people are going to attack me for defending someone whose words speak true to me, but that's life. Jesus had to deal with it, Buddha, and many others who have not reached those levels of spiritual development. I just hope "god" will help me choose my words correctly. The eternal Tao. Whatever you want to call it.

 

To me it all seems extremely glib and self congratulatory.
Perhaps though you are heading down the same road?

If he's helping us to learn how to swim, perhaps he should take a swimming instructors course. And actually, given both the tone and content of his posts, perhaps he'd better learn to swim himself first, because he's just paddling at the moment.

 

To me, it seems I speak from the heart. Judgment is just the self overriding the conciousness.

Peace and love

 

You can't live in the world without judging all the time - everything from the freshness of food to the character of other people.
Thats' why the hindus speakof the need for Viveka - discrimination.
If you didn't judge you could end up believing any old BS.

I guess you assume that I don't speak from the heart because you don't like what I say.

 

I don't judge you. You say what you want to. I was referring only to myself.

Peace and love

 

I've caught my share of devastating, earth-
shattering mental blows from xexon before,
but also some of what he says rings true.
Hard to seperate the two sides of the dude.
Who knows?
Maybe this is preperation for some heavy
wisdom rain.
Or he could be holding up a mirror.

 

Perhaps you should. Because it's often the case that we find out what we are comfortable with by seeing what others are into which we're not comfortable with.

love & peace to you too.

 

Why should I judge you? You are entitled to your opinions, and I am entitled to mine. That doesn't make anyone right or wrong. Judgement is delusion, separating oneself from others when we are intertwinned.

Peace and love

 

In my case none of it rings true I'm afraid, because I've heard it all many times before, and seen the results when the claimed 'enlightenment' folds up.

Mainly what I object to is the distraction of thinking we can just float off to some other world.
We are human beings on the earth - the earth is in crisis and needs the work and input of intelligent people, or even people with good intentions. Not to tell us how to get out of life, but so we can make it better.
I want to see the earth healed - I have no interest in going off to some astral plane or heaven.

 

This is true when we are talking about judement
that is done to distance ourselves. But I
see what Bill is getting at is simple discrimination
between who you are and who you are not.

 

I know who I am. I discriminate when needed, not judge.

Peace and love

 

Do you judge Hitler? Do you think his opinions are something he was entitled to spread all over Germany and begin a hugely destructive war?
You should judge for the reasons I have given - either I like what this person says, or I don't like it.

Also some people will act out their beliefs in such a way that you have no choice but to react - islamic fundies being a prime example. Do you judge them? Or at least their beliefs and actions?

 

Like how Christ said In this world, not of it
Arjuna's inner soul also told him to act.
We can rise above the sad nature of what
humanity is, and still feel compassion to do
our best to change the conditions of those
who arent as fortunate as ourselves.
If we dont do that, I think we are missing
THE POINT -

 

Yes. I think that's one of the pos things about this forum - you can see a variety of views expressed, and that may help people to sort out what they really want themselves.

 

Generally, I think that our goal should be to create heaven here on earth, rather than looking for it in an afterlife or on other planes.

I was having a conversation with a friend recently where we were talking of the possible future for humankind. Two things emerged. First, the idea as per 'the celestine prophecy' that we will move into new dimensions, and my own view (al la Tim Leary, William Burroughs)that human haven't even begun to fulfill their puropse, and that space migration is more likely, and the only answer.

As I've said before, it could be that human life is actually the way in which the universe is becoming conscious of itself (in a localized way at present). To devalue our life here, or regard it as inferior to a supposed disembodied existance is in my mind a capital mistake.

If we take the Hindu type view that everything has come from the One, I'd ask why would the One expend all this effort to create these fantastic intricate individual forms only in order to dissolve the whole thing again?

I'm more interested in the idea of transformation than escape.