My own religion...

All people deserve to be loved. Some are just too lost to see that the divine resides within them. Love all, hold them dear to your heart, and let go. Don't judge them, that is what Jesus did when he met prostitutes and other "trash" of society. He loved the divine within them without judging them on the things they did that were considered "evil".

Peace and love

 

I don't think so, or everyone who ever felt love would have this elusive 'universal knowledge'. Every child that loves it's parents for example would have it.
I'd actually be intertested to know who has had it though, or in fact what it might be.
In my mind 'universal knowledge' would have to be just that - complete knowledge of the universe, so when people claim to have it but can't tell me whats happeneing in other galaxies, or even in locations here on earth other than their own, I am somewhat sceptical, at least I'm sceptical of the language used.

 

I think you've got a very good point here. But I think you'll find that what the religious call 'love' isn't really what we ordinary folks think of as love.
I actually wonder if some of them have ever really been in love..hard to love what you are telling yourself is meer illusion.

Trouble is, many of them have this simplistic notion that there's the ego, which they consider 'unreal'. and behind that is some kind of super-consciousness, or god even. They fail to recognize the true value of the individual.
Mainly what they say is not their own experience, or their own thoughts, but what they've read in this or that book.

 

The idea that the ego is not real is an experience that I have had. Reading books can only do so much, because the mind is limited.

Peace and love

 

well HC, my experience is that behind the surface ego is the inner self. This is individual - it's not that you just remove the ego and 'become god'.

Love can only exist between individual beings. At least, love as a functional thing. We're here in this (real) world - we are not able to cease to be individual, or of so, only in some kind of trance state, in which we couldn't remain all the time anyway. The celluar being has its own individuality.

Rather than get rid of ego, it's far better to aim to transform it. It's actually only the negative aspects of ego consciousness that are a problem if you think about it.

BTW - I wasn't suggesting that you don't have any experiences - actually, I was responding to another poster.

 

You cannot rid yourself of ego as long as you are in a human body. Its your user interface with the world.

The idea is to make it recognize and coexist with the true self. In most people, they cannot see beyond ego and therefore think thats all they are. In a spiritually mature person, they have the awareness that goes beyond where the ego can go.

The ego is a part of the mind, and both belong to the physical world. They cannot enter the spiritual realm themselves.

Only the naked soul, the true self, can go there. When the soul interacts with the physical world, it has to put on a body, just like an actor puts on a costume. The ego is an essential part of this costume. Most actors have forgotten that they had a life before entering this stage called earth. They buried themselves in the part they play here, and can no longer see themselves apart from it.




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Not a huge amount I'd disagree with there - only the idea implicit in your quote that the individual or the 'soul' (hard one to define that) pre-exists our life here.

Most people are fully brain washed, they don't see much at all - and unfortunately, religions are often a big part of the problem rather than the solution.

 

i think by making this idea that you should love everyone takes away from the preciousness of true love...x

 

sometimes i want to bash hippies with a stick. But that's besaides the point. j/k by the way.

Your "religion" is not a religion or even a philosophy. Its an idea. One which has far reaching potential but very little practical use IMO.

What would you do with people who do not wish to live with your philosophy or religion but instead want to harm and/or exploit people for tehir own benefit. what if these people are (as tends to be the way of teh world) extremely powerful and have the ability to ruin lives. Not just a few but many?

Basically, does your philosophy or religion say about punishment?

As for those who believe love can cure all, I have a close freind who is a psychiatric nurse. She believes (as do many in the feild, my brother is a psychiatrist) that peodophiles are simply victims of tehir own sexuality. Yes its a perversion but they cannot change it. The whole society of earth tries to change paedophiles and rapists and admittedly somethign very wrong happened to them to make them that way but since they exist what do we do with them? ply them with love? Considering its becoming more and more apparent especially with paedophiles that they cannot change, what is the answer?

Anyway. enough of my ramblings. Its lovely and sweet but basically means nothing IMO. A philosophy that does not bear in mind the essence of human nature (how many years of human existence have we had peace on earth?) is one that is fraught with issues of denial.

 

Total love is not obtainable by mind alone. It cannot contain it, nor can it see where it comes from. It is full of what you call human nature. It gets prompts from the heart, and sometimes it will listen to it, but by and large the mind is a cold computer of hard logic and addiction to sensation. It is a heartless master.

The heart is the only thing that can manifest love. It sees the source, and it's connection to it. The heart in 99% of all people is pushed into the back seat by the mind.

To bring the heart forward and place it in the drivers seat is no easy task, but it can be done.


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NB: The "heart" as you cal lit is actually part of the brain. The ACTUAL real heart is an organ that pumps blood not feels love.

Emotion and reason both come from the mind. I think its disturbing to try and split them into two different entities. And more than a little short sighted.

 

An atheist would agree with you, but I am not an atheist.

The mind is only a tool. It is not the seat of the soul itself. The heart is.

The soul can exist without the mind, but the mind is totally dependent upon the soul for it's existance. In your world the slave has become the master, and it creates the illusion that this the natural order of things.

It is not so.

The love of which I speak is not human love, but divine love. Human love has limitations, just as the mind itself does. Human love is based upon mental concepts and conditions. Its like comparing 10K gold with pure gold.

Your heart, when it is free of the mind and it's limiting factors, will become unconditional love.

It is this kind of love that allows access to the spiritual realms, where you will see for yourself how all things are interconnected. They're all interconnected, because it's all you. The closer you move towards the godhead, the less your individuality matters.

Eventually, all lines of division disappear.

Move away from the godhead, the lines start to reappear. Go far enough away, you're back as a singlular person focused in this world reading these words.



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I think emotion and thinking come from the external world and our interaction with it . Also feeling can come from our reflective thinking, as particular idea may give rise to a particular feeling. It may well be that a given feeling comes from a particular experience - it isn't that the brain or mind is creating the external stimuli.

Reason and emotion, or better 'feeling' are not the same thing though - that should be pretty obvious.

 

In the words of Douglas Adams 'everything is interconnected but some things are more interconnected than others'.

 

I'm not an athiest and i agree with me.



you speak as though what you say is truth. starting with "i believe" is far more realistic.

As for "in your world teh slave has become teh master" thats just b*llocks and quite offensive. Thats again YOUR OPINION. please don't spout it as though its fact.

The left brain is the more emotional side and the right brain the more analytical side.

you "think" that maybe perhaps the left brained type functions and emotions MAY BE of the sould and the logical analytical parts of the body.

Thats what you seem to be saying. which is fine.

As for everything being interconnecteded. I believe so also. I don't have to agree with your philosophy to believe that.

I would be intersted to know what your theory is on the purpose of human life.

P.S. I believe your theories are firmly grounded in the religious belief that our bodies are somehow a burden and a punishment for us to carry.

 

Lets make a small logical exercise :

For anything that can be termeable as "god" to exist, and to be "one", it needs to be infinite in all respects - everything.

That directly concludes that, everything around you including you, things that are known and not known, and things that are bygone and to come, are also in this infinite existence, including any reality that is real in any particular space and time, and in the past space and time points, and in future space and time points - as even thinkable concepts or memories need to be parts of this infinite existence.

Anything taken out of this infinite existence makes this infinite existence incomplete. therefore, anything that is part of this infinite existence - ie everything, needs to be of equal, indispensable and infinite importance in existence.

This in turn concludes the body you occupy now, and the character, ego, - whatever you call it - you function as now, shortly what so-called 'limitedness' of you as of now, is also of infinite importance and indispensable.

Therefore, disdaining, trying to discard, trying to leave behind without paying due respect, demeaning, neglecting this part of the infinite existence that is 'limited you', or your ego, or your body, is hypocrisy and incompatible with the concept of one infinite existence that is everything.

in short, you need to give your 'limited' ego existence in a 'burden' body proper due respect.

 

Additionally, it doesnt matter if the concept of 'god' exists or not.

Existence seems to be infinite as per late theories on particle physics and theoretical physics, and observations on the state of current universe we occupy.

so there is a concept of infinite existence, because there is no other possibility.

Then the logic in the above post still holds in every circumstance.

 

But it isn't belief, you see.

I understand your opinions, but in order to understand me, you have to come to where I am. There are no amount of words that will convince you of what I say is true or bollocks. But to come to that same place, you WILL understand.

By your statements above, you have discounted spirit as a stand alone entity.

The right and left hemisperes of the brain belong to this world. Its the CPU the soul uses while here to operate the bodily vehicle. It processes information from the senses, regulates bodily function, etc. The mind can be regarded as the software.

You have an identity outside of the one the software gives you.

It is your true self, and it literally has no limits upon it's abilities.

As for the purpose of human life, did you not enjoy playing with toys when you were a child? GI Joe, Barbie, etc. And did you not create an imaginary world for them in the process?

You're doing so right now.



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Q: Have you ever considered that there may be place, or indeed, many places, beyond 'where you are now'?

Who knows, the next place you go to might invalidate everything you think you know is true in the place where you are now -

 

So when you say emotion is the realm of the human soul you're putting limits on it.

if you were as enlightened as you like to come across, first of all you'd have no ego so this hypertrophy of the soul sh*t you've got going on (reference: Milan Kunadera's Immortality) wouldn't be so apparent. And you would have achieved such a level of Zen that you wouldn't be tap tap tapping away on a computer keyboard being uninspiring and self important.

thats how I see it.

Having said that I do think you're a good person and i'm probably being a little too reactionary as is my nature. But self importance and pretentious ramblings are my trigger buttons.

Sorry if i appear to be harsh.