Actually hallucinate?

i will just say, yes, you need to up yer doseage .

it's not like i think a hallucination is *objectively* real, because i still have my brain functioning, but it's like "i really can not believe that it's possible for someone else to come along and not see *whateveri'mseeing*". which is a complete object or image, not a distortion of some other object.

but i'm done with this, go and do as much real acid as you can possibly find, put yourself in a pure white room with nothing to "distort", come back, and tell me you did not hallucinate.

peace <3

 

I agree with prismatism. I guess you didn't have good enough dose. It becomes so clear that you feel like entering some other dimension, your body does not exist and you become one of the particals moving along those fractals. All normal sences (hearing, smeling, touching, seeing...) switch off and you start feeling some other "feelings". It is very difficult to describe with words those I call feelings. It is almost like you are vibrating on certain frequences and everybody who know how to vibrate on that frequecy is connected to you and you immidiately have all his knowledge and vice versa. You feel like part of huge wave of particals vibrating on same frequences speading through infinite space. Thats when you feel so close to God (somebody calls that God, for me that doesnt have name). At that time, normal things around you are very , very cloudy and they look like they are not real. You become part of that new reality or dimension, or call it as you want, and than you actualy think that you saw something weird (triping) when you see actual normal things. Like people are describing that you can see a man or whatever from a shadow, thats how you see normal(real) things when some of the fractals move. I hope somebody anderstands what I am talking about. It is like Raja Ram said in one of his tracks:
"Like a part of gigantic creature, we are croling with holographyc halucinations"
If you don't understand what I am talking about, just take 500mg or more of good LSD and play some Psytrans tracks (like Sphongle - Divine Moments of truth or Twilight Twisters) and join the wave. Well done Prismatism!

P.S. Have you ever seen fire on 0 gravity? It is beautiful!

 

Dear you,

I'm not saying fractals are NOT hallucinations but they are not what are many times defined as "raw" hallucinations.

Of course people hallucinate on acid but would someone dropping acid look at an empty sink and see a rat just form NOWHERE just there standing on its hind legs and chewing at a bit of cheese. Please answer my question.

Point being if you hallucinate in a white room, will you see a FULLY THREE DINEMSIONAL moving being with weight and substance of a solid colour appear from nowhere and interact with you?

Will in that white room a imagnied human being WHILST your eyes are fully open come and place themselves in front of you? as real and solid ang right there?

Are you trying to tell me that thats the extent of teh hallucinations or are we simply disagreeing about what the term "hallucination" means?

would on LSD you EVER see and hear a complete fabricated being come from nowhere and interact with you?

 

Acid's effects are subjective. Some people simply have a better imagination than others. I get intense CEVs whenever I close my eyes, even when I'm sobre (and have done all my life, not as a result of any drug use). I see wireframe meshes, swirling voids and , even faces, geometric shapes and figures/groups of figures, although the more complex visions have become smaller (like just a few cm in the centre of my field of vision, as opposed to large complex images) and generally less distinct over time, perhaps as I've grown up and my child-like imagination has waned slightly. I've never found anyone with who can fully relate to these visions, but it doesn't mean I don't have them, it's just how my mind works.

I'm confident some people have full on hallucinations with acid, entirely from their imagination and not just a distortion of what's actually there - some people are very good at visualizing things in their minds eye. I'm not that good at it personally, but I spoke to my dad about it the other day, and he said that if he concentrates on something enough, he will sometimes faintly see it (kind of like an after image, but borne from his imagination rather than something real) in his field of vision, and he doesn't take any sort of hallucinogens

Redpoppy you've spoken before about sometimes confusing your CEVs with your OEVs, surely that should tell you enough. Closing your eyes doesn't take you to another universe, it's just a thin veil of skin that blocks out external light sources, allowing you a blank canvas onto which your imagination can run riot. Why is it so hard to accept that some people don't actually need a blank canvas?

 

i love shpongle !!!

and i agree completely with everything you wrote, especially...
"It is almost like you are vibrating on certain frequences and everybody who know how to vibrate on that frequecy is connected to you and you immidiately have all his knowledge and vice versa. You feel like part of huge wave of particals vibrating on same frequences speading through infinite space."
when i experienced that, i knew i'd never really experienced acid prior. it's so unbelievably amazing.


redpoppy - i'm not talking about fractals when i talk about "real" hallucinations, i only used them as an example because most people get fractals, even on low doses of psychedelics. you know a hallucination is a hallucination because it isn't something as mundane as a rat eating cheese. if i was on acid and i saw a rat eating cheese in my sink, i wouldn't consider the possibility of it being a hallucination, and if that's the kind of thing you hallucinate, you probably have a very boring mind. if i saw a rat eating cheese surrounded by dancing three dimensional polka dotted cartoon flowers, i'd think, oh, a hallucination of flowers, surrounding a real rat. hallucinations defy the laws of physics, and they can have deep allegorical meaning. it is very easy to tell the difference between something real and something hallucinated, but it's difficult to believe the hallucination exists only in your brain because it is so realistic.

i don't want to try to convince you, or explain to you anymore. please go eat a very large quantity of lsd now, or knock it off

 

I know what you're saying hemisphere but in 15 years or so of dabbling in this drug with a multitude of people I have spoken many times of this and although kids at school used to say "oh yeah I tripped and met homer simpson" i just think its one of thsoe things when discussed seems really unreal to me and many others some of who are "veterans" (Whatever that may mean) .

As I said before I don't like telling people what they did or didn't see which is why I'm asking questions.

IMagining things is IMO different to hallucinating them. AS in when you're tripping you generally know you're tripping and know what is there and what is not. Obviously if you saw something REALLY strange (a rainbow wearing a poncho) you'd be like "okay this isn't real".

I also relaise the depth with which the concept of reality feels evasive and irrelevant.

but I'm trying to understand, can people actually visualise things which they cannot know are real or not? Not as in "i spoke to god and i dont' know if its real" but as in you walk past a dog. Can the dog be a COMPLETE figment of yoru imagination? Can you walk passed it thinking "Did i imagine that?" Could you meet OEVly entities and people who are complete hallucinations which you thought were real. If you were, say, with a sober sitter and walking round some park or soemhting, woudl you mayeb stop to attempt to talk to a being or look closely at something which when the sitter looked was just you talking to/looking at nothing? At air?

Its relevant to me because I wish to be a resident fractologist extraordinaire one day in a land where Acid rules and psychedologists like myself are aplenty. *sighs and drifts off into wonderland*

 

Don't worry I will but what type of dosage (micrograms) are you talking?

And the rat eating cheese isn't the hallucination, it an example, but say you had a phobia of rats and saw a rat in your sink on a bad trip (theoretically), would you as the tripper extraordinaire be able to distunguish whether the rat was real or a hallucination?

No reason to get het up trying to help others understand chica.

 

oh okay.

yeah, you can definitely have some combination of delirium/hallucination where you actually think you are talking to someone who is not there, don't know if you actually saw a dog or whatever. but if it's something like a dog, why would you even question it's realness? but, yeah, that can totally happen. but it seems to be a more mushroom-y thing than an acid thing . and definitely on salvia, of course, it happens.

 

Also please do bear in mind that some people CLAIM to never hallucinate AT ALL on lsd. Which to me is just as unbelievable. Maybe it is just a case of people being different. Maybe no matter how much acid I consume i (amongst MANY MANY otehrs) will never experience raw hallucinations with OEVs.

 

*rushes off to pick shrooms*

 

sorry if i'm getting impatient, for a while it felt like you were sorta attacking me. i apolagize. i felt like we were running around in circles and i hate that
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i'm not tripper extraordinaire, i've had a few really super intense trips. i don't know how many micrograms, acid finds me and i take it and it shows me what i need to see.

okay. so, theoretically, i'm having a bad trip, i'm scared of rats, i see a rat. well, i don't know how rats behave, i don't know their anatomy, i don't really know that much about them. so if it were a hallucination my imagination would fill in a bunch of blanks in my knowledge and i'd probably figure it out. but i'm not scared of rats, and i can't really think of anything that i could hallucinate that would truly scare me... i don't know.

 

true dat yo.

i hallucinate very easily, i went through a pre-psychedelic stage where i thought i might be schizophrenic, because of constant sober hallucinations (what you'd call distortions, walls breathing, colors and light dancing in patterns and designs, waves, feeling the ground moving, etc). so, yep.

 

Maybe. People hallucinate things on acid that they fully believe to be real, though it requires a strong degree of ignorance and delusion. Look at the recent thread about this one guy's mate who went nuts over 2012 prophecies.

Most people who are experienced in psychedelics will be able to tell that what they're seeing is a result of the drug. The whole idea of seeing full hallucinations with your eyes open, imo, is more about people's powers of imagination and suggestibility. I don't feel that it would be possible to just trip up some form of entity and then have a conversation with them (ie "I met Homer Simpson/talked to a clown/etc!"), but I would say it's certainly possible to fully construct a hallucination out of little more than your imagination.

Certain stimulus will still be needed of course, nothing will come from absolutely nothing, but the stimulus can be totally abstract, for example I was tripping out on the Offworld flyer the other day, I just stared at it for ages, letting my imagination go with the flow, and after about half an hour, people started forming around me. They were colourful and ghostlike, floating around as if visualised figments of my imagination - the stimulus basically came from the fact that if you stare at a collection of swirling colours for too long (particularly on acid), they start to take over your peripheral vision, and everything outside of your focus becomes subject to a good degree of imagination.

That's pretty close to the sort of things people have described here, and although there *was* a stimulus, I'd say it's pretty damn close to coming out of nowhere. If the blurred colours in my peripheral vision can form full sized human forms, even faint ones, then I'm sure it would be possible, given time and greater amounts of acid (this was just one tab that I'd stored loose in a drawer for a week), to form more believable imagery.

CEVs start from somewhere aswell, they don't come from absolute nothingness. When I trip, the smallest amount of stimulation is all the mind needs to create whole worlds of illusion.

 

Okay so I need to find some strong cid and double dose. I don't need much convincing eh?

heh heh.

And yes hemisphere i know what you mean about the flyer thing. Its weird because we were in this park once and my husband saw this ambulance or police car or something with flashing blue lights and was really captivated by it. it was behind me and i didn't bother lookign twice as i was busy being captivated by something else but teh whole time after that he kept getting flashing electric blue for the rest of the trip and I really felt I'd missed out! heh heh.

I know completely what you mean Prismatism and thank you for your maturity in understanding your own defensive reactions. I do it too all the time especially when people do it to me which is what I was about to do to your post but decided to take the right path in responding. Lovely to have it recipricated.

Weird how human nature does the fight or flight in matters of conversation huh?

 

First of all: Sorry Prismatism if I have offended you, it was not my intention.
My argument or discusion was not ment to persuade you to agree with my way of thinking. Clearly the world or psychedelics is large and is difficult to understand, there are many different ways to interperet it.
I stand by my origonal statement of physical surroundings and the mind being used to create halucinations.
Im not sure how exactly you interperet the world of psychedelics but I quess its different to everyone. For example I had a friend who said to me Psychedelics make You see real things that you cant see sober.
So I think we can agree to disagree.

Well anyways I like what hemisphere is saying About the need for stimulus to create halucinations from nothing, I feel hemishphere has elaborated on what I was previousley saying, I also undertand the importance that imagination playes.

 

Datura

 

Until I read that I thought I was crazy my whole life, I also since I've been little just had to close my eyes and I could just imagine things and I could see them in my head perfectly, sometimes I wouldn't have to think about anything and weird things would show up. My whole life I've tried to hallucinate while sober (I know it sounds odd) and with my eyes open. While I haven't been able to make anything apear I can make everything kind of morph a swirl, a little like shrooms. Maybe my heads screwed up or something but I like being able to do this a lot.
Because of this I think it's entirerly possible to actually see things that aren't really there if you just think about it hard enough and with some help from LSD

 

Hmm, thanks for being one to actually answer my Q. Anyway, as far as I've read you don't realize your hallucinating, as it's basically almost like sleep walking, aswell as dangerous to your life, aswell as a good percent of people going to jail because of doing something completely rediculous while on it.

 

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