What exactly is the second coming of christ?

The End Complete,

1. Isn't the second coming supposed to be in 2012?
-Epiphany explained it well but if you want to kow more try this website: http://r-campbell34.tripod.com/babylon/ it pretty much answers all your questions

2. What makes a person a True Christian?
-Someone who trully loves and follows the Lord... only you and God know.

3. I thought God and Christ were supposed to be all loving, no matter if you have faith or not.
-God is all loving but people dont want to be with him... people want the devil...they reject god.... they choose.


4. Let me re-phrase, why did god let us kill his son, and for that matter, how the hell did mary give birth to jesus, without intercourse? I mean, sure God is god, but God's no David Blaine.
-God gave man free will to do as they would and what they did was kill jesus-it was all predicted in the Old Testament. As for mary, God can do anything. Why is it so hard for people to grasp that? Look beyond the creation to the creator.

5. If an athiest, was always an athiest, accept when something like this started to happen, would he be accepted in 'heaven'?
-If the athiest saw these signs and it change the way he/she thought to where he/she know believed that Jesus was god and accepted that him into their life... he/she would have eternal life-they would not be left behind but raptured on the day of judgement. However, that atheist could die any day and to wait for judgement day would be foolish because when a person dies that is when they are judged.

6. Why hasn;t Jesus taken the throne earlier, so he can defend against the anti-christ?
-There are still numerous people that are yet to be born that are to be in the kingdom of god....its on a timeline and time is running out.

7. What I mean by mistakes is, well usual christians condemn marijuana use, crime, adultery, vandalism, and anything thats aconsidered a sin, but why would God allow us to do something he doesn;t like? I know the whole thing about letting us be free, but even GOD has to expect something like this to happen.
-You expect people to do this if they dont love god. If you love god you wont do these things.... or atleast try not to... because christians are human.

Titus 1:16 says, "They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him."


9. And another thing, if all this has been written in the bible, than that means that all time is pre-decided?
-yes, its predecided because god knows who is going to reject him tho those people still have the chance to reciece him....but God knows ahead of time who will reject him and who will accept him.

 

-You have to understand the situation... this will be after a world war(nuclear) after the largest earthquake ever... and many other disasters(in just one day) people are going to be lookin for secerity something the antichrist will be preaching.

He will come in when the right after the rapture has takin place and he will be the most antichristian person and with only antichristian people left on the earth... they will love that.

He will do great miracles and wonders that only a super being could do.... and biggest delusion will be he will be backed by the what we call UFOs or ALIENS. People will say "who would make war with this man." Because he has control over all these super human beings that have space crafts(as one can see the delusion has already started) But little do people know that aliens are not some intelligen beings from outer space that are coming to save us but demons from hell.



Here is an excerpt from the website: http://r-campbell34.tripod.com/babylon/

All of this happens in one day and forces the earth's population to cry out for a peacemaker. Someone that will bring order to the world. The citizens of earth will not have to wait long. A man will step forward to take control. He will be unlike any other. He will understand dark sentences and will make the occult prosper. His power will be made great through deception and evil. The church's disappearance will be explained away as a UFO abduction. The new leader will exercise control over strange light ships of the sky, and he will take credit for removing those who would oppose his rule. The world will believe that the UFOs came to help them, only to discover too late that their occupants are really demons from Hell. Then will begin the time of unimaginable horrors and the reign of the Anti-Christ. The second coming of Jesus Christ is seven years away.

 

Wow. This is all very scary, and I guess its making me think over my religious beliefs (or lack thereof). I'm not being sarcastic. But then again, so did Y2k. I'd really like to believe all this stuff, but I haven't seen any of these "signs". For that matter, most politicians are either jewish or fundamentalist-christian and they never mention any of this.

About the UFO's .. I read this, it doesn;t seem too... logical. http://www.mt.net/~watcher/hate.html

Personally, I think all ufo's are figments of our imaginations. I mean, our minds WANT to believe that we are witnessing something special.

Anyway, So your saying that if I lead a life of sin (sort of), but at the last minute forsake my athiestic views, and honestly accept jesus and god into my life, I will be saved?

What if your wrong? What happens if you've got the whole story backwards?

This is what I mean...

Back in ancient days, the only way people could tell other people things that were far away from them, was to tell someone, and they would relay that message unto that person. Now, Lets say, I'm in NY (which I am) and Your in CA (ancient times).
I tell person #1 "There are 40 golden eggs in Nebraska"
By the time person #1 gets to person #2 its "There are 14 kegs in Australia"
Person #3 gets it and finally ends up at the intended person and says "There aren't any beds in Antarctica"

The way I see it, is that the bible was the world's first fairy tale. It has all the elements of a great fairy tale. The bad guy. The good guy. Good guy wins. Everyone is saved. Some people just choose to live they're life believing its true, which is fine.

When these things happen, when I see these signs, and I mean 100% accurate to what the bible says, I will be a God-loving True Christian. But at this point in time, I can't really say I am not. Just a little confused by it all.

Another thing, does god know if I will make that leap and become a christian? Also, would there be marijuana in heaven? and tv? <serious questions.

-TEC

 

But since revolunaires are not all christain. The Antichrist would have to deal with Luddites saying look if we overthrew the industrial world we would never have had all these problem so lets overthrow it now. You would also have Anarchist saying if we didn't have leaders we wouldn't have all these problems so lets get rid of our leaders.

So the Anichrist would have to deal with people wanting to have no leaders (that would mean overthrowing him) and people that want to overthrow the industrial system that would mean a huge boost of independance for communites and far harder to raise modern armies.

 

Yeah, but the religious freaks are saying that all time is pre-decided, so LOGIC, I'm sorry, resistance is pointless. But what your saying is true, and I don't expect to see a straight answer on this, probably another link to a bible verse.

 

if you aske about god you will most likely get a reference to the bible......its about god and the book christians follow.


if you're going to say bible references are worthless then you're not here with full intent to listen to our answers.

anyway...god did't kill jesus...humansd did.

he didn't intervene.

to intervene in any action comitted by man would be to take away the gift of free will. and if he did that he would be a puppeteer and we his puppets. everyone has a behgining and a destination. the paths we chose determin certain things in life but the ending is inevidible. its up to us to chose how we arrive upon it.

 

i think if you truely accpeted the lord and jesus christ and let them into your heart and truely were a good person you will go upon the way of truth. i think thats what it is all about. all christians strive to be good people by following basic morals god put before us. morlas that exist in everyday life really but that he emphasises.....

if you lead a good life and trualy accept the lord you will go upon that path...


well at least i believe the good will live eternally at his right hand.

 

Wow. This is all very scary, and I guess its making me think over my religious beliefs (or lack thereof). I'm not being sarcastic. But then again, so did Y2k. I'd really like to believe all this stuff, but I haven't seen any of these "signs". For that matter, most politicians are either jewish or fundamentalist-christian and they never mention any of this.

-Most Christians or Jews do not know this... the Jews if they read... only read the torah and Christians get taught nothing in the churches.

About the UFO's .. I read this, it doesn;t seem too... logical. http://www.mt.net/~watcher/hate.html

-I did like the first paragraph of the website... it explains it well... the rest kinda lost me... the part that I like says:

"This page discusses the resurrection of the dead, or rapture, in conjunction with satan's plan to prevent this from occuring. Satan and his rebel angels will not just sit by and watch God redeem the faithful, elevating mortal man to the position previously held by satan himself and his angels. Satan's plan involves deceiving humans into accepting aliens and ufos, and a global religion based on the occult which will pave the way for antichrist. The main focus of this deception will be to convince humans that the Bible was wrong -- that life evolved on other planets and that these "alien space brothers" perhaps were the ones who created humans ... and the Bible was just a primitive misinterpretation of alien and ufo encounters."

Here is another excerpt that tells about UFOs and christianity that I have posted on here before:

"Extraterrestrials always seem to distort and attack Christianity, but not other religions. Bible prophecy and theology interest UFO occupants. The UFO messages deny the authority of the Bible, deny Christ's sacrificial death for our salvation, and deny that Jesus is the only way to the Father. They appeal to human pride with salvation by works or reliance upon the divine within. Contactees are left with an anti-Biblical view of the next life."

http://www.christianity.com/CC_Cont...62|CIID,00.html


Anyway, So your saying that if I lead a life of sin (sort of), but at the last minute forsake my athiestic views, and honestly accept jesus and god into my life, I will be saved?

-Yes... but why take that chance and wait till the last minute if you could die tommorow?

What if your wrong? What happens if you've got the whole story backwards?

This is what I mean...

The way I see it, is that the bible was the world's first fairy tale. It has all the elements of a great fairy tale. The bad guy. The good guy. Good guy wins. Everyone is saved. Some people just choose to live they're life believing its true, which is fine.

-The Bible was inspired by God thats how I know I am right... thats how I know the Bible is not a fariytale.... look at the archaeological, scientifical, and prophetic proof. These proofs are what seperates Christianity from all other religions.

When these things happen, when I see these signs, and I mean 100% accurate to what the bible says, I will be a God-loving True Christian. But at this point in time, I can't really say I am not. Just a little confused by it all.

-All I have to say to that is the Jews are not back in Israel by coincidences.

Another thing, does god know if I will make that leap and become a christian? Also, would there be marijuana in heaven? and tv? <serious questions.

Yes God knows what you will do.... you dont...yet.

As for heaven... we can't even imagine what is going to be there.... it will be better than TV and defianately better than pot....

"but according as it is written, Things which eye has not seen, and ear not heard, and which have not come into man's heart, which God has prepared for them that love him" -1 Corinthians 2:9

 

Most people will accept him because he do miracles beyond our knowledge and they will think he is God and many people will be decieved..... but for those who will not go with him and accept the chip will be killed.

 

This makes little sence. People that "doubt'' God would logically also doubt the AntiChrist since their ideology is de omnibus dubitandum, everything must be doubted

You have people that doubt our reality that this all is mass delusion and these are the people that the AntiChrist is going to win over?

This is stupid logic dictates that people that doubt Jesus and/or God will also doubt the AntiChrist.

 

Right, all the Christians will be gone. The people that are "left behind" are not going to understand that he is the anti-christ.

 

"the second coming of christ" is an ingenious device created by the church to separate humans from our birthrite to achieve to christ consciousness by placing the event in the distant future and in another person. this is not what Jesus taught. Jesus taught that even the least among us shall do as he did and more! he was showing us our potential! of course the world (government) would kill such a teacher!!!


here's the thing: when christ comes it will come now. not in some future and not through some being out there in the clouds or up in heaven. know thyself;for the kingdom of heaven lies within. and it is always now; not tomorrow, because when tomorrow comes it comes now.

 

Good theory.... now try reading Matthew 24

 

I will even put it own here for ya


Matthew 24


Signs of the End of the Age

1Jesus left the temple and was walking away when his disciples came up to him to call his attention to its buildings. 2"Do you see all these things?" he asked. "I tell you the truth, not one stone here will be left on another; every one will be thrown down."
3As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. "Tell us," they said, "when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age?"
4Jesus answered: "Watch out that no one deceives you. 5For many will come in my name, claiming, 'I am the Christ,[1] ' and will deceive many. 6You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed. Such things must happen, but the end is still to come. 7Nation will rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom. There will be famines and earthquakes in various places. 8All these are the beginning of birth pains.
9"Then you will be handed over to be persecuted and put to death, and you will be hated by all nations because of me. 10At that time many will turn away from the faith and will betray and hate each other, 11and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people. 12Because of the increase of wickedness, the love of most will grow cold, 13but he who stands firm to the end will be saved. 14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.
15"So when you see standing in the holy place 'the abomination that causes desolation,'[2] spoken of through the prophet Daniel--let the reader understand-- 16then let those who are in Judea flee to the mountains. 17Let no one on the roof of his house go down to take anything out of the house. 18Let no one in the field go back to get his cloak. 19How dreadful it will be in those days for pregnant women and nursing mothers! 20Pray that your flight will not take place in winter or on the Sabbath. 21For then there will be great distress, unequaled from the beginning of the world until now--and never to be equaled again. 22If those days had not been cut short, no one would survive, but for the sake of the elect those days will be shortened. 23At that time if anyone says to you, 'Look, here is the Christ!' or, 'There he is!' do not believe it. 24For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect--if that were possible. 25See, I have told you ahead of time.
26"So if anyone tells you, 'There he is, out in the desert,' do not go out; or, 'Here he is, in the inner rooms,' do not believe it. 27For as lightning that comes from the east is visible even in the west, so will be the coming of the Son of Man. 28Wherever there is a carcass, there the vultures will gather.
29"Immediately after the distress of those days
" 'the sun will be darkened,
and the moon will not give its light;
the stars will fall from the sky,
and the heavenly bodies will be shaken.'[3]
30"At that time the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and all the nations of the earth will mourn. They will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky, with power and great glory. 31And he will send his angels with a loud trumpet call, and they will gather his elect from the four winds, from one end of the heavens to the other.
32"Now learn this lesson from the fig tree: As soon as its twigs get tender and its leaves come out, you know that summer is near. 33Even so, when you see all these things, you know that it[4] is near, right at the door. 34I tell you the truth, this generation[5] will certainly not pass away until all these things have happened. 35Heaven and earth will pass away, but my words will never pass away.

The Day and Hour Unknown

36"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son,[6] but only the Father. 37As it was in the days of Noah, so it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 38For in the days before the flood, people were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, up to the day Noah entered the ark; 39and they knew nothing about what would happen until the flood came and took them all away. That is how it will be at the coming of the Son of Man. 40Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. 41Two women will be grinding with a hand mill; one will be taken and the other left.
42"Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come. 43But understand this: If the owner of the house had known at what time of night the thief was coming, he would have kept watch and would not have let his house be broken into. 44So you also must be ready, because the Son of Man will come at an hour when you do not expect him.
45"Who then is the faithful and wise servant, whom the master has put in charge of the servants in his household to give them their food at the proper time? 46It will be good for that servant whose master finds him doing so when he returns. 47I tell you the truth, he will put him in charge of all his possessions. 48But suppose that servant is wicked and says to himself, 'My master is staying away a long time,' 49and he then begins to beat his fellow servants and to eat and drink with drunkards. 50The master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he is not aware of. 51He will cut him to pieces and assign him a place with the hypocrites, where there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

 

But a large pare ot the people left behind are the people that just doubted so logicaly they would doubt the AntiChrist is god.

If your whole reality is doubting, you won't stop because some dude can do fancy parlor tricks.

 

"Truly, truly, I say to you,





He who believes in me [size=+3]will also do[/size][size=+2] the works that I do;[/size]

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John 14
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STOP answering these questions with reference to the bible. It isn't possible to answer a question about logic with a bible verse. You might as well just say "Because I said so".

 

if you are doubting or wondering about many christian prophecies (like the second coming) which seem kindve crazy, the best thing you could do would be to pray about it. Even if you dont believe in God, i believe you said you were atheist, if perhaps you could open up your heart and ask to have your heart calmed.
when i was questioning my religion and views and such the website www.carm.org really helped me out. its definition of the second coming is:

Second Coming, The - The Second Coming is a term applied to the return of Christ. If there is a second coming, it follows that there must have been a first. The first coming of Christ was His incarnation when He was born. At the Second Coming of Christ every eye will see Him (Rev. 1:7) as He descends from heavens in the clouds (Matt. 24:30; Mark 14:6).

again though, its going to be backed with Biblical scriptures becuase its based from that. and since the bible is so unknown about everything is up for interpretation.
good luck!

 

I can doubt I exist (sometimes I do) that doesn't mean I'm ready to belive I don't exist. Same with God I have doubts.

 

its the boogy man