Hey all, Well, to those that know me from some of the other areas of the forums... let me just make things clear. I do not have any negative feelings towards the police. I personally view policing as an occupation I look at highly, I respect all officers for the great work they do. However recently there was a situation where a group (and no, these are not police officers, they are criminals IMO) assaulted a peace activist, pepper sprayed him, etc. Reason; parking. Anyhow, this article has had me petty pissed off for days. Being Canadian, I pay huge taxes here, and because of that, I feel the police work for me... this type of action I would expect from a thug or a criminal, but not from someone I pay to uphold the law. I know this type of thing happens all the time, but again, this time it was captured on film. Please read the article, and if included, make the call to the Mayor to let them know how you feel. http://cannabisculture.com/articles/5044.html or http://www.vernonmorningstar.com/portals-code/list.cgi?paper=35&cat=23&id=1040740&more=0 Peace
That was some serious bullshit, those cops had ABSOLUTELY NO RIGHT to do that to him man! And when the cop put his knee on the old guy's neck. That made me want to kick the shit of the cop dude. I've always had a hatred for cops but now its on a whole new level.
DONT LET THE SCREAMING PEOPLE ON THE TAPE FOOL YOU. So lets analyze. Long hair dude is getting arrested, old man and a chick come up and bear hug him so the cops cannot arrest him. Obstruction of Justice Old man gets pepper sprayed as a warning, and yes a pepper spray shot like that is a warning and it is supposed to burn and incompacititate to help the officer arrest the perp. This obviosly worked because they were able to break Magnuson off of Elliman. Old man begins to flail around and keep himself against the car...lays on his hands to prevent cuffing. Resisting Arrest Fun Fact: While there are videos of him trying to move his car and him saying that he packed his car up and tried to leave but was stoppsed, the man had parking violations which meant he needed to be taken in. He should have began to get his shit together the minute they called. I hate to say it but it was only following the law, maby they were a bit rough considering the man looked to be in his 50's or 60's and I certainly feel that more could have been done to avoid the incident but the necessary actions were taken, and neccesary doesnt mean asking them to leave while those dumb fucks yelled, and prolly spat on the officers. As for you Coyote Lilly, if it were not for those cops you so hate you would prolly be getting robbed and beaten every other week, if not that then more often. Why you AND hundreds of thousands of other people ages 13-25 or so dont like cops is beyond me, maybe it has something to do with you doing something unlawful and getting caught and you wont admit you did something bad? Hating cops for making arrests is like hating that "prick" at Tower Records store cause he catchs you trying to steal and throws your ass outa the store. Yes some cops are bad, some are assholes. Some will fuck with you because they are so jaded and like messing with people. But the majority of them are good people who want to protect you, and you classify them all as pigs. Your a disgrace. ps- I hate to be the assholes in these type of threads but if he would have been peaceful none of the shit would have happend, I dont believe force was needed but to the word of the law it was acceptable, I am not a right-wing and I know this.
Ok, what the fuck? I didn't say i hate "All cops" Its just the ones who do this shit to people who piss me off. And im not hiding anything i did wrong. I punched a cop in the face cause he pulled me and my friend over cause we "looked suspicious". Well the only thing he's right about is that i was high on marijuana. But my other friend Joesph doesn't smoke. So that cop deserved to get his clock fuckin fixed. Anywhoo, what's the deal with "necessary action?" The cop set his knee on the guys neck for pete's sake! The old dude could've had breathing problems or somethin man! And you say your not a right wing? HA, dude everything you just said sounds like a right wing follower. Im not a disgrace for saying i hate cops, there are many others who agree that "MOST" cops are assholes. I know an actual good cop who lives around my neighborhood. But he ain't like any cop ive known. He's a cool dude. Oh and one more thing "Unmotivated". You need to be careful what you say man. Cause there's a lot of people on this site who would say many of the same things as i do. So if you diss me, then you diss everybody here who thinks that way.
Listen to yourself. I dont agree with it either but getting pissed does nothing. You assaulted someone cause he had a hunch, My god.? I am pretty sure cops can detain and perp for 24hours on justified suspicion. Not a crime. Wow is all I have to say to this one, I hope Joesph didnt get in trouble for your stupid actions. If the man started having an asthma attack I am pretty sure he wouldnt have been able to flail and yell "You have no right to arrest me". The knee on the head was to subdue someone resisting arrest, it wasnt pretty, is force ever pretty? The reason they did it was their was a group of people around the officers yelling at them and while it was a peace rally, there may have been idiots like you in the group who would "clock" a cop for no good reason. Im not right wing, but I am against ignorant cop hating sheep like you spewing that all cops are assholes. Cops are cops when they are on duty and are trained to expect the worse and after years they are desensitized to violence so this action prolly didnt seem out of line in their eyes. What would you do if you got into a fistfight with someone at a club and 20 people were around saying you should get your assbeat, you would prolly fear that it was coming. You are not a disgrace for hating cops, your a sheep who hate them because Foxnews tell you the cops run around LA beating down blacks and hispanics . He prolly is a cool cop because he knows you, if some random cop was arresting you he doesnt know if you have a history of violence (which you prolly do have) or if you will cooperate. Yo dawg I aint be dissen yo hood. Grow the fuck up, I have only been on the site a few weeks but I have yet to see the older folks who were and are actually peaceful people talk about punching out cops, surely they must be right wing? I am using my freedom of speech given to be by the moderators because they believe in freedom of speech, and I have yet to see Skip ban someone for not agreeing with him in the political forums, as long as they build an arguement of course. [THIS IS AN EXAMPLE AND IS NOT AN ATTEMPT TO DRAG SOMEONE INTO THIS THREAD] ps- I will be more then happy to be hated by people like you, I dont hate you but simply agree to disagree with people like you. There is a difference between knowing the law and supporting it and you dont know the difference. ..purple n white purple n white purple n white...sorry,cant stand typing walls of text.
look, i apologize for getting angry. Something just really bad happened to my cat today and i couldn't control my feelings for awhile. My cat was mauled to death in someone else's backyard. And i got so pissed that i yelled and screamed at everybody today. I know about the laws and other things, trust me ive had plently of experience learning and experiencing them first-hand. I still dont like cops, but who knows. Maybe one day ill start to respect them. But as of now, i have an anti-authority mindset goin on right now man. You have your opinions on things, and so do i. we may not agree on each other. But that's the cool thing about people. We're all different, but connected. I hope you (and im sure you know) that not everyone respects authority, some have different reasons then others. And for those of you who do respect authority/cops. You haven't been in our shoes to see the way we look at them now. But just be a little more sensitive cause some people may be worse than i am when angry. Peace bro
Sorry about your cat. Sincerely I am. As to the assault on the peace protester...don't park in a firelane. Without seeing a video of the assault it's hard to say who was actually at fault. But it does appear he broke laws. Was undue force used perhaps, but without seeing a video it's impossible to say.
48 hours now in the US! I feel it is more likely that police assualts against people is far more common that most would know and I dont watch FOX but have been alive for almost 40 years and have friends who are police officers. Not all are bad but I do know alot of old school bullies that became officers too!
I am not taking up for the police BUT you have to remember what kind of pressure they are under every day. Can you imagine walking out your door each morning and not knowing if you're going to return home that night. Then there's disinformation being passed along to them from higher up and it puts them on edge. So if you get stopped by the police help to put them at ease and especially don't punch them out (Coyote Lilly). Cooperate and help them do their job. You're still going to run into bullies and a'holes that don't like hippies but at least you won't get into any further trouble from foolish behavior. If you're uncomfortable, you can always request that another officer be present to witness what's going on. The way I see it the large majority of civil servants are good, honest and hard-working people and the few that aren't get all the headlines and publicity. See through the BS. We can either learn to live as brothers and sisters or die together as fools. It's your decision.
From second artice: From Unmotivated: Video: https://www.youtube.com/v/bSBC5sjBcCA You know, it's hard to argue with people like unmotivated. People who seem to think that just about any action is justifiable if it's done in the name of "the law." True, the police officers may have technically been within their rights to do what they did (although, at least here in the states, excessive use of force from a police officer is a punishable offense). But let's look at this from a purely human perspective. The guy with long hair got warned by the police to move his car. True, he didn't do it right away, but eventually he packed up his things and tried to move his car. HE TRIED TO COMPLY WITH THE OFFICER'S REQUESTS. Then, the authorities wouldn't let him move his car. And they try to arrest him for traffic violations. Now, even though this is technically a "legal" thing for the police to do, is it really justifiable? Come to think of it, is it even justifiable to arrest someone for a mere parking violation? I mean, a ticket would have been a more reasonable punishment, wouldn't it have been? Now, ask yourself this. Did the actions of the people being arrested justify the amount of force that was used? Does a parking violation (and violations related to a parking violation) justify teargas spray (which is what mace is, these days), and the violent and brutal arrest of an elderly man? I don't trust cops one bit. I think that they are given way too much authority to do whatever violent, fucked up shit they want in the name of the law. Remember Rodney King? The cops who killed him got away with it because they killed him in the name of "the law." I don't like cops and I don't trust them. As far as people getting robbed every day without them: where I live (the deeply rural south), there isn't much law enforcement to speak of. There is a sherriff and a few deputies who generally only investigate a crime after it's happened. What keeps people from being killed and robbed every day is the fact that people know how to defend themselves. If someone comes on your land and starts fucking with you, you point a shotgun in their face and tell them to get the hell of your property. And I haven't heard of anyone getting killed or robbed in the few years that I've been here. That's a pretty low violent-crime rate compared to somewhere like, say, inner-city cleveland. If people can defend themselves, they won't need a cop to do the job for them. If you want to make criminals, write laws. And when guns are outlawed, only the government will have guns (or, in this case, mace).
Bubble, I agree with you, the force should not have been neccesary, but the cops are sitting there with someone resisting arrest and a crowd yelling at them...what were you expecting to happen? As for the knee to the head, I am not so sure how much that would hurt considering his head was on dirt / grass and skulls are usually pretty strong. (I have seen a 12 year old bleed from his head and barely feel it) It did not seem violent or brutal to me, those words imply blood, force is not the same as violence or brutality. I wasnt argueing the ethics of the "brutal violent attack", i was just saying it they /technically/ did nothing wrong and in most law systems technicalities make and break. The protesters tried to use technicalities against the officers fucked them right back, watch the video, when the old man bear hugs the long haired one he is saying "Im not touching you" as to say he is not impeeding the arrest and it backfired. As far as your town Bubble, thats a whole different arguement about products of enviorment. Rodney king has nothing to do with this, dont try to dramatize the thread.
Resisting arrest? He should never have been arrested in the first place. Traffic violations are an extremely minor offense. He was obviously targeted because of the fact that he is an activist and the authorities were trying to find any excuse they could to make a display of him. He was trying to comply with their requests that he move his vehicle, they wouldn't let him comply, and then they arrested him for not complying. They set up a catch 22. True, they were technically within their rights as police officers to do so. The nazis were technically within their rights to torture and kill six million or some odd jews, as far as Germany was concerned in the 1930s. I know this is an extreme example, but what I'm saying is that law does not equal right. Just because the police had the right to arrest these people (according to the law), that doesn't make it right. It is not right for people to be targeted and arrested because of their political views. And that's the real reason these people were arrested. Traffic violations were just an excuse.
Hey guys.... Reading the posts, I can say everyone has some good points. To me however, watching this happen over a traffic violation just bothered me for weeks... to the point where my consciousness would not let me stay quiet. I did contact the mayors office over this one... the point I made to the mayor was this. If him or myself pepper sprayed someone (especially an elderly man) for parking, or at best, resisting unlawful arrest.... we would be charged criminally... why is the officer not held accountable the same as anyone else? As for what I have heard in Canada - part of our rights is the right to resist unlawful arrest. I would like to see the section in the CCC where parking gives anyone the right to an arrest. Second of all, for those who saw the video or photos... it does not take much effort to see the cop was just "dying to spray Neil". when he pulled his mace out, he had such a smile on his face... anyone could tell why he did it. Unmotivated, I'm not disagreeing with some of your points, but I stand by mine. 1. I do not wish to contribute my tax dollars to a criminal (that’s what this cop is). If everyone else cannot mace a senior in the face over a parked car... than neither should the RCMP guys... 2. I could have even swallowed this if it was a drunk coming out of a bar, being a jerk, and the cop temporarily looses his cool, and acts.. he is human. But the fact remains that Neil was not a drunk... he is a peace activist that is fighting for peoples freedom, he is also fighting for the rights of the cop that assaulted him in the first place... To me, that is just wrong... So I decided to act, and wrote the mayor... At the age of 40, I guess I'm just tired of keeping quiet... Peace guys. Richard
