Dylan Thomas: A Refusal To Mourn The Death, By Fire, Of A Child In London

I do appreciate the poem posted in the poetry forum.

This is beyond reproach. This pales in comparison to Americas hippies killed in Ohio during Vietnam. I feel these children were subjected to a horror beyond rape, sodomy, mutilation and blind execution. This lethal force is a sign of the abuse that blind political systems enact in their daily rape of the planet... how can we just stand by and watch this lethal force which operates only with the agenda of territory. I'm tired of being represented by those who do not see. I'm tired of the injustice of the masculine paradigm which seeks to enslave for profit and denies the love and unity of all it seeks to control. How can we be silent and vote for a war machine which is beneath beauty. I am not represented. Where is the cultivation of the arts ... where is the focus on inequality, poverty, suffering and healing of the environment. This is not a National problem this is a world issue now. Give me a shout if you hear me.

 

i don't know about standing by and watcing

the question becomes one of what action is most likely to
have more positive then negative effect

i doubt we can shift a paradigm without setting an example
of what we want it to be shifted to

and in order to do that we HAVE to connect the dots

we cannot expect some ritualized action,
however violent or none violent
to achieve a desired end by wishful magic alone

we cannot expect to avoid causing harm
without connecting the dots
and we cannot legitimately claim moral responsibility
without making the avoidance of causing harm
our first and highest priority

i do not believe it would be a standing by and watching
to stop creating the market for the harm that is currently
being caused

an incentive and a market created collectively by our
individual priorities as a resault of the popularity
of refusing to connect the dots
to do our thinking
to concern ourselves with just what our priorities and
preferences, individualy and collectively, actualy are
creating a market and an incentive for.

how long would this abuse and destruction go on if everyone
refused to drive a car and would only go to work if they
could get there by walking, biking or taking public
transportation that was itself powered by sustainable
alternative sources of energy?

and would only work where they could be sure there efforts
were not themselves perpetuating it, creating a market for
it and or supporting those who did.

that's a tall order and maybe a lot of people honestly don't
believe they can. that there are immediate responsibilities
they cannot redily dismiss.

but each of us can, i suspect, look for and find assumptions
on which we've been basing many of our preferences that have
been feeding into this collective error that so called
leaders are no more then the tip of the iceberg of
though they are by no means blameless in promoting it and
manipulating sources of information to mislead a majority of
people into going along with their doing so.

look for and find ways, however small and innocuous,
or however daring or otherwise each of feels inspired to,
of boycotting something or some many things, that feed into
perpetuating this harm that is being so callosly done on
such a massive scale.

=^^=
.../\...

 

A very simple statement that speaks mountains for non-violence. But with the hatred built up in these cycles, there is no remorse, there is no forgiveness. And the question of which action to choose ,for the terrorists, becomes obviously human-less. I agree, that the extremist... human-less trend is global. But not necessarily political. There is a great deal of room between 'stop creating the market-set an example' and becoming the machine that could take the actions the terrorists took. Your quotes are good examples of a guiding ideas that should be used to combat the trend. Honestly though, if given the chance, could either one of you not attempt to prevent the tragedy by using lethal force?

 

silly question..