circumcision

I looked this up for you because i don't think it's right, and reading this actually made me feel sick and upset.

Hope this helps, good luck,




Is circumcision painful?Yes. Circumcision is extremely painful -- and traumatic -- for a baby. Just being strapped down is frightening for a baby. The often repeated statement that babies can't feel pain is not true. Babies are as sensitive to pain as anyone else. Most babies scream frantically when their foreskins are cut off. Some defecate. Some lapse into a coma. The reason some babies don't cry when they are circumcised is that they can't cry because they are in a state of shock. Most babies are circumcised without an anesthesic. Anesthetics injected into the penis don't always work. Being stuck with a needle in the penis is itself painful for a baby, just as it would be for anyone else. Babies are rarely given pain medication right after they are circumcised or during the week to ten days it takes the wound to heal. Pain medication is not always effective and is never 100% effective.




Does circumcision have risks?
Yes. Like any other surgery, circumcision has risks. They include:

• Excessive bleeding
  
• Infection
  
• Complications from anesthetics
  
• Surgical mistakes, including loss of glans and loss of entire penis
  
• Death

 

I just realised when you posted this, hope it's not too late

 

I think that you've recieved a lot of good info from people here already, so I'll spare you the run down. What I will share is a little bit of testimony...

My parents choose not to circ. my brother. He is now eighteen and VERY happy that they, in essence, left it up to him. He was definitely odd man out in the locker room growing up(small town midwest, ugh), but he managed just fine... Educating your child makes a huge difference. My brother was able to defend himself, and I'm sure plenty of the other boys were left feeling a little less complete, as sad as that might be. My brother is old enough now to have "experience" with the ladies... From his reports(and from all the girls that call him like mad), I'd say that being intact doesn't effect a mans ability to please a lady one bit.

I choose not to circumsize Leo... Poor kid barely made it! I had made the choice to do it, had the money in hand and the appointment made... Last minute I decided it wasn't my place to make that choice for him. I AM SO GLAD that I had a change of heart... I've learned so much since then. I was worried about him fitting in, and now it seems like he would have been in the new minority if I'd gotten him circumsized. He's turning three, and I've not had ANY problems with infections, uncleanliness, and all the other crap pro-circ people are apt to throw at you.

I'm having baby number two soon, and while I am pretty sure Baby is a girl(relying solely on intuition*smile*), I might be surprised by the arrival of a baby with jiggly bits... If that's the case, then Baby will get to keep each and every bit of said bits.

With Leo I didn't have anyone to have the argument with... It was entirely up to me(though I did have a sister nag at me "He'll be made fun of..."). It's harder for you, I'm sure, to make the descision when there are two opinions to take into consideration... But in the end both your opinion and your partner's are irrelevant... Your son will decide whether or not he's happy with what you chose. Maybe you ought to remind your partner of that... That if indeed your son is circumsized, that you'll have to face the repercussions if your son is unhappy with it. Furthermore, you could tell him that he can be the one to explain to your son why he was mutilated and why it was the best route... "I thought that your penis should look like mine, son. I thought that if you had all of those nerve endings, that you would be whack in the sack, son. I thought you wouldn't be able to keep yourself clean, son. I got it done because your Grandma wouldn't stop nagging, son.." Whatever his excuses are for wanting to do it, I'm sure he'll see that they all sound pretty lame from that particular perspective. I don't think Baby's Dad and I have talked about the issue... I'm pretty sure that he would be against snipping the baby, but if he weren't I'd point out to him that it isn't his choice... In the end it's Baby's.

 

i agree with holly....don't back down and don't give in!

 

I never thought of it this way. That kinda made me chuckle VERY good point, it makes everything that we've been arguing about irrelivant and more of a reason why I should not back down for any reason.
To the person who was saying that they hope it's not too late, no worries, I'm still only about 29 weeks, so I still have this whole last trimester to go.

 

thats simply not true...

i have NEVER had that problem.. i am uncut.

suddenly i'm so glad i live in europe where circumcision is a very rare parctice - less than 1%, its amazing that in the US something so barbaric and disgusting as non consentual mutilation of a boys penis is accepted..

 

it is not amazing to me....the US is one fucked up country....and the whole circumcision issue falls right into how fucked up it is...pardon my colorful language....

 

and for the record...my son is UNCUT....his father left that decision up to me and i'm so glad i made the right decision....

 

Did you show him pictures and videos?

 

my own father(and yes my mom told me..LOL) is uncircumsized and he fathered 6 children perfectly normal, my mom never had a problem, and it doesn't seem to make a bit of difference. In fact all of his brothers are uncircumsized as well, and have no problems.

 

yanks circ. 'cause of jewish influence in the medical field...period

 

I'm not sure how much it has to do with Jewish influence, I have spoken to Jews who felt it was wrong for non-Jews to be cut.

Unrelated but I've always wonder if neonazi's or white pride groups cut their boys or if they don't even make the connection. I wouldn't know, I try not to talk to neonazis too often

 

Most Jews, myself included, are horrified that non-Jews circumcise just for aesthetic appeal. I go to a Jewish founded college where a good 50% of us are of Jewish cultural origins, if not practicing, and that's the general consensus. It downplays the significant cultural role it plays in Judaism- especially in my family since that was a big way in Russia that Jewish men were found out and persecuted, including my great grandfather. I highly doubt a Jewish influence in medicine would propagate the popularity of circumcision.

 

She's the mom, so she makes the decisions and that's final? What about schools? Braces? What if he needs medical treatment? Do you consult the father then? Sorry ladies, but that's not how marriage (partnerships, whatever) OR parenting works. Sit down and make a decision together (without the mother in law).

"Put your foot down". Who the hell do you think you are?

 

flying~I agree with you completely. I don't think that I have any more claim over this baby than he does. That doesn't mean that I am changing my position. My whole position is based on the fact that no one has any claim to the baby and that he has the right to decide to do what he wants with his own body without his parents mutilating it for him.
Circ'ing is something that does not have a compromise...you do it or you don't.
I think that he has given up on the subject to be honest. However, I am concerned when his mother comes to visit when the baby is born (she's supposed to help out around the house, with leane, etc for about a week until life gets sorted out with school and everything...which is probably going to be the other way around since I end up cleaning up after HER when she comes here), that she's not going to let up and the whole postpartum period is going to be filled with fighting and stress because he can't let go of his mother's fucking tit. (A little pent up agression here, if you can't tell). I'm ready to tell her not to come, but he's dead set on her coming...

 

Set the mother in law straight if you have to. I'm all over that. But don't listen to a bunch of bitties telling you your husband's opinion doesn't count. I understand your point, but have you listened to his? I mean honestly? If you have, don't give in to appease him, but bring him around to your way of thinking.

 

Sweetie, I had that type of problem with my MIL as well. It wasn't that DH & I were disagreeing, it was that MIL disagreed with US... but was too dense to realize that her son was on "my side" as well.

You've gotta sit her down - BOTH of you & remind her who the parents are, and that you (BOTH of you) will be making the decisions for your children without her. It isn't fun, it isn't easy, and is sure as heck isn't pretty... but it's gotta be done. Heck, my baby's 7 1/2 years old and we STILL need to remind BOTH our moms that they're not the parents!

(((((((((hugs!!!))))))))) good luck! I'll be prayin' for y'all!
love,
mom

 

Seriously, it's YOUR babymoon, honey. Not his. And you don't deserve another stressed and unpleasant postpartum period, especially if it's going to be bogged down so prematurely with schooling as well as breastfeeding. Put your foot down. Tell her (and him) that she can't come. You'll deal without her. And send your hubby my way if he throws a fit. I'll set him straight!

 

flying~ I already have listened to his point. If you read my other posts, you will see that I have listened to everything he has had to say. It just so happens that everything he's saying is medically false, and I have prooven that to him. I was also the very FIRST one on here to say that I am not going to disregard his opinion just because I am the one having the baby.
Holly, lol, that's cute. Thanks
Good news, though. I brought it up today, and he is alright with it now!