Especially his later stuff, when he was doing lots of acid. His earlier, heroin period stuff is kinda square.
... Bird was more of an innovator, but I definately wouldn't put him in front of Trane. At times Bird's playing can sound a little forced, especially on ballads. His up-tempo shit is HOT, but Coltrane played it all, and no matter what it was beautiful. Also, I never hear Bird connect with his bandmates the way John Coltrane did. Both him and trane rely a bit too much on pre-written licks and familiar cliches, plus it doesn't make much sense to compare to players from different decades. Coltrane's playing has so much more depth than Bird though, and with the Coltrane library you can listen to his development and growth as a player, much moreso than with Parker. Bird had a pretty bad attitude too, which can show through his music. The biggest thing that seperates Trane and Bird for me though, is that Coltrane's playing is spiritual and really sings, where Bird is more of a shredder. Bird Lives, Coltrane is in an alternate dimension.
i have a killer recording of charlie parker and miles davis doing "a night in tunisia".....gotta check it out
No way, name one Bird LP what could top the majesty of A Love Supreme and thats just one LP from Coltrane's unbeatable catalog. The guy was pure soul. I'm not much of a Bird fan tho, I mostly like 60s/70s jazz
Haha, I was just listening to that yesterday. It's pretty goooooooood, the quality bothers me a bit though, damn live performances.
i just can say, everyone should listen his "a love supreme" album before post a comment to this topic...unbelieveable
I just don't get the big deal about coltrane or davis. I dig their music but I think it's really over hyped. I understand what they did. I play coltrane and davis tunes and have to solo over their chord changes. I understand what they did but I just don't think it sounds as cool as other things. Such as Bird and Diz.
Love Supreme dominates, anyone ever check out Thelonius Monk with Coltrane at Carnegie Hall? It's dope! Monk was sick.
when it comes to jazz musicians no one quite exemplifies the essence of jazz and emotions within it like john coultrane he puts it all on the line and fully layers his entire songs with horns and melodys that were unheard of to his time and then stamped as his style and flair. he was undoubtedly and inspiration to the jazz and punk scene. thank you john coultrane.
Great record. I think the time Trane spent with Monk is where his playing really started going into orbit. The earlier stuff he was doing with Miles was great too, but Monk's music really sent him flying. Other greats (besides A Love Supreme, of course): Giant Steps (to me he out-bops bop here) My Favorite Things Live at Birdland (such an incredible performance!) Live at the Village Vanguard 1961 (with Dolphy--dope) John Coltrane Quartet Plays Sun Ship (it'd be hard to find music as intense as this) Crescent One Up, One Down ...so many untouchable recordings!
Try listening to Ascension, just try. Anyway, here's a dope flash-synch'd video to 'Trane's Giant Steps [/i][i]http://www.michalevy.com/gs_download.html
