a God ??

Discussion in 'Science and Technology' started by zzuli, Jul 24, 2007.

  1. zzuli

    zzuli Member

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    Yes, i know, it's a very classic topic but i'm intereted in whant you think..
    Personally, I only call "God" the thing that has created the world, but i'm sure that this thing doesn't care about us.. In my opinion, religion it's an human invention resulting of the fact that our spirits need a sense for the life.
    But, we don't think that a frog life for example, has a sense, so why it would be different for men??
    We mustn't forget that we are also animals.. the result of the evolution, we have specific capacities,it's true, more developped, but we are too only living beings.
    Of course, i think that religion bring very good things for men, good values.. but all that is human.

    ( i'm really sorry for my awful english but.. heu, it's my teacher the responsible ;))
     
  2. zwhkevin

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    as you said "religion it's an human invention resulting of the fact that our spirits need a sense for the life." we human being have spirits , so we need a belief. religion would tell you what do you live for so that you won't lose you way in your life. if you don't believe in god, maybe u're considering yourself as your god,,, whatever...:)
     
  3. Any Color You Like

    Any Color You Like Senior Member

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    There are alot of people who beleive in a god that is not the classical one but more things like life, love, nature, art, music, etc. They call themselves beleivers (althought not from any organised religion). In a way, I too beleive in those things, and I call myself an Atheist. I think the only difference is that I don't call it God, but apart of that it's the same.
    En passant, ton anglais est ben correct.[​IMG]
     
  4. lunnyonthegrass

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    God is the giver of life, he created the whole universe and earth is just a tiny tiny mirco-bit of it, and if you think of it in that way, everything thats on earth is even smaller than that shit going into the atoms and cells, all that shit isnt there for nothing and something had to create all that ...God, man. Religions are what people choose to be as their Gods, and since there is many different religions around the earth, our world, you wonder which is true... so yeah, thats my input :)
     
  5. lifelovefun

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    What if this is all a creation in your mind? Than you would be "God"
     
  6. zzuli

    zzuli Member

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    And why all that isn't there for nothing?? It's our human spirit, our way of thing that make us believe that there is inevitably a reason, a sense but it isn't human who master the world so peraph it isn't work like our spirit, our brain make we think.. I mean, i think we just can't understand why it's like that, our spirit aren't developped enough .. like animals are conscious of less things than we are.. the reality escape us. And so men invented religion, gods, a life after the dead only to reassure themselves..

    This way to see the life makes it more interesting, more valuable i think , but i hope i'm a little wrong because i really want to understand..
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  7. lunnyonthegrass

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    yea man, all those things are the things that make up the universe, ya kno the atoms and cells, all the things we cant see with the naked eye. and our souls, or if you like to call them spirits, are made up of the same exact thing. we all have a connection with the earth and other living creatures because of this, and the simple action of attraction of all the little molecules with other molecules, like cells and atoms and shit, is wat the connection is. but even that is up to you to believe, we really dont have a clear idea where and if we got a soul in our bodies, we just kno there is something going on. who knows, we might find out in time...
     
  8. themnax

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    nothing HAS to have created anything. there just has to be some sort of negative/reverse 'entropy' in some form. (and it's been argued there doesn't HAVE to be even that, but intuitivesly it seems likely).

    none of this means there can't ALSO BE nonphysical awairnessess, great and small, some of whome may very well love us and wish us well, but they don't HAVE to have had anything to do with creating anything. nor beliefs, any beliefs, have to have the slightest idea what they are talking about for there to be.

    i'm not so sure WHAT the wild hair is people got up their assess to invent beleifs, the formalizations of organized beliefs, might be. i'm pretty sure though it wasn't all any one thing, and some of it may even have been intentions i would aggree with.

    but at any rate, like gods, i don't see any reason other life forms on our own world can't or don't have 'souls', just as we humans.

    the only thing i can see as distinguishing us, observably, from other species is the degree to which we surround ourselves by our artifacts. and that creative impulse that prompts us to do so. it is a drive that just enough humans seem to have to make it happen. and it HAD been found in some other species also, just not nearly as commonly nor as strongly as it is amoung ourselves.

    ON THIS world. who'se to say what might be on other worlds in other solar systems. the one's that also harbour life, creative to a degree comparable to or exceeding, our own.

    the natural forces that create planets and suns are fully comprehensible. the causes that set them in motion and which prompted life to first appear remain something of a mystery however. ones for which a god could account. but again, a god accounting for them would not be required for one or more of them to exist.

    so, much as there is a tendency in humans, to tie these two questions togather, i really see no intrinsic reason for their having to be.

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  9. lunnyonthegrass

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    people in the vicinity of Betelgeuse know the answer...
     
  10. IlUvMuSIc

    IlUvMuSIc Senior Member

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    Is God a metaphor (or somink) for creation? You gotta admit - on a whole people that believe in God are more considerate and kind etc than those who aren't.
     
  11. lunnyonthegrass

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    yea god is like a metaphor because we dont kno if he exists fo realz. :)
     
  12. tommyhot

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    "God" and "religion" was created by man to control people's thoughts and actions. It's for complete morons. It's that simple. I won't debate it. It's been done to death.
     
  13. LostLass

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    I think that, ultimately, organized religions are used to control the masses. However, I don't know if the desire to believe in a deity was consciously created by the haves to keep the have nots in line, though the result is the same. If one's life is awful or if horrible things happen to "good" people, who wouldn't want to delude his or herself into believing that it is all part of a divine plan, and even if one's life is shit, one's afterlife will be wonderful, or one will be reincarnated into better circumstances if one stocks up on the good karma? I think that this need most people have to believe their lives hold significance in the Universe has, over the ages, played into the hands of the powerful. Medieval peasants wouldn't give a rat's ass about the "great chain of being" if they didn't believe it to be part of God's plan, and didn't think they'd go to Hell for breaking the chain. If peasants aren't going to buy into the notion that nobles are so far above them that they allow their "betters" to treat them worse than dumb draft animals, they'd stop putting up with all the crap shoveled on them and there would be chaos in the social order. The church, monarchies and nobility would have come crashing down; how inconvenient for the rich were the poor to believe there are no second chances at life and one must make one's life as significant as one can before it is snuffed out forever.
     
  14. tommyhot

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    Religious people are those who have no faith in the human brain and it's ability to learn and seek out new information. They'd rather believe in some mythological, made up complete bullshit instead. So unbelievably sad.....
     
  15. lunnyonthegrass

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    We Are God, The Secret Is In Us.
     
  16. TheMadcapSyd

    TheMadcapSyd Titanic's captain, yo!

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    You know it is possible to believe in science and theology, science explains how, theology explains why.
     
  17. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    God is an idea man has manufactured in order to take himself off the hook. If god is responsible for everything, then man can pass the buck.
     
  18. lunnyonthegrass

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    but not all people blame GOD for the bad in their lives, some people believe that all things happen for a reason. they believe in destiny and dont sulk on the thought that its GOD's fault.
     
  19. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    If that's true what do they see god's role in universe as being?
     
  20. lunnyonthegrass

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    some of them dont even see him as a being, they actually see him as part of themselves. that kinda mentality is kool because they usually are kool about everything. when you look at GOD as a being you start to worship and idol him which brings all the sins in your life into play. from the moment you start to believe in him as part of you, your soul suddenly turns from sour to sweet. :)
     

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