previous civilizations

the way things are going now it seems as though humans are doomed. what if there was an advanced civilization like ours 10 or 15 thousand years ago which suffered the same fate? or if the last ice age wasent a naturally occouring event but a nuclear winter? im sure theres amountain of evidence that some body'll post that disproves this theory but its just a thought. what im asking is, do you think were doomed to a stone age future?

 

I absolutely see no way around it...even if our society advances for hundreds of years,or thousands, it will still end in some catastrophic way, or the climate will gradually make the earth inhospitable to human life, and only stragglers will be left.


i've always imagined the earths population declining, and just walking through abandoned apartment complexs etc.

Of course that could be just an apocolyptic fantasy...in short, i do believe at some point life as we know it will be wiped away, and something else will occupy this space, or humankind may start again.

 

i dont see the point in worrying about it...if it happens it happens.....

 

just because someone chooses to ponder things like this does not mean they are worried about it.

 

There is plenty of major evidence that a major civlilzation existed around 12000 years ago. I was watching this show on discovery channel where they went to various ruins around the world: The Pyramids, Angkor Wat, The Ican Lines in Peru......etc.... They all exactly resembled certain constellations. They ran the constellations through the computer and found that those constellations were only visible from those points they were built at the same exact time, 12000 years ago. It was pretty interesting stuff

 

That's for sure. The worst part is we are going to destroy ourselves and we have the technology to stop it.

cc

 

have you ever read "by the waters of babylon"?

 

I'm not sure I understand what you mean...Can you clarify? The way I see it, we have nuclear weapons but no nuclear-explosion-prevention-machines yet. We have greenhouse gases, but no greenhouse-gas-cleaner-uppers yet. It seems to me like the technology for destroying our little planet is 100+ years more advanced than the technology for saving our planet from said destruction.

 

But Ivan Illich and Ned Ludd showed the path of not killing our selfs. The non-industrial path, simply get rid of nuclear weapons and stop gernerating pollution.

We have the technology and ability to NOT build nuclear weapons.

 

Quote; have you ever read "the waters of babylon"?

No, but if its along these lines, i definitely want to check it out.

 

But how can we be too smart for our own good? Surely if we were we would make decisions that are good for our own future.

Technology cannot harm anyone or anything. Technology is not alive. It is man that does the damage. It all started with the first technological steps, that is, fire and primitive hunting weapons. These technological steps enabled man to control his environment more and more. These days man basically has control over the entire planet, but it is not control that is a bad thing because with control comes responsibility and the power to choose.

Once again the future course of the entire planet lies not in the hands of man but in the minds of man. We choose what our future will be like, and while some of us choose wisely other short-sighted capitalist consumers will destroy it for the rest of us.

To save the world the minds of the men who are destroying the world need to be changed. Western culture should lead the way in world preservation, not economic progress.

A new world consciousness needs to be adopted. Alternatively a genetically engineered ferocious lion species could be released to bring our numbers down.

Save yourself, the rest will follow.

Butch.

 

Unfortunately it isn't that simple. If one country got rid of its nukes, all of its nuclear rivals would gain an advantage on it. If every nuclear power simultaneously agreed to dismantle their nukes, how could any of them be sure that one of the others wouldn't hold a few back?

I think the goal of not generating pollution is even more unrealistic. We depend on industry for almost every aspect of our modern lives, and I think the quality of life around the world would sharply decline if we stopped polluting entirely. A better solution is to simply manage our pollution as best we can, perhaps by fining excessive polluters or by researching nanotechnology which can help us clean up our environment.

 

You need encloser for a industrial system and encloser is wealth usurpation.

"Only recently, at the base of society, a new kind of "popular intellectual" is beginning to recognize what has been happening. Enclosure has denied the people the right to that kind of environment on which - throughout all of history - the moral economy of survival had been based. Enclosure, once accepted, redefines community. Enclosure underlines the local autonomy of community. Enclosure of the commons is thus as much in the interest of professionals and of state bureaucrats as it is in the interest of capitalists. Enclosure allows the bureaucrats to define local community as impotent - "ei-ei schau-schau!!!" - to provide for its own survival. People become economic individuals that depend for their survival on commodities that are produced for them. Fundamentally, most citizens' movements represent a rebellion against this environmentally induced redefinition of people as consumers."

-Ivan Illich

 

I'm not going to get into all this other stuff, but I will say this: My great-grandfather was in the Italian Calvery in the first world war in 1917, and he and a bunch of other guys were in the libyan desert digging trenches. Well, as my he told me, after digging for about two days, they found thick metal wire (he said he thought it was copper) that went on undergroud for several miles. That does'nt sound legit to me. I can't say exactly what it is, but I know it's something

 

Put it this way, our brains have been basically the same for...how many millions of years? Think of how for we have evolved technologically in the last few hundred years, then think...we recently discovered that human beings have had the technology to cross the oceans and have been doing so for thousands of years, whose to say they haven't been doing other things? They are digging up lost civilizations every year, who knows what they will find

 

these sorts of theories were really popular in the 70s. ive got loads of books on this kind of thing.

the Nazca lines in peru, that can only be seen from an aircraft, one of the images of a spider depicted with a sexual organ on one of its legs that can only be seen under a microscope, that isnt native to that area.

when archeologists were digging up things in egypt, from the anceint days they found what looked like a whole lot of toys. this was in the days before we had invented the aeroplane. one of the toys they thought was a funny looking bird. years later in the 1930s it was realised it was actually a plane.

a similar item was found in south america, but much smaller, with a letter of the alphabet written on it - in anceint arabic!

cave paintings that were excavated were found to show people wearing pretty neat looking clothes...they dont like the public looking at these for fear its too weird. but it is now beleived by some people that other cave paintings are ones made by people learning to paint, as some have signs that a teacher has corrected them etc...



sooo many different things like this that cant be explained.

you guys might be interested in this

http://www.grahamhancock.com/phorum/read.php?f=1&i=92024&t=92024

 

There is a mountain of proof that that is exactly what happened. the book 'cataclism' by an archeologist and a geologist spell it out as clear as can be. And dont forget, every ancient culture describes the devestation.

 

In the book Cataclism, the two authors went around the world and took samples from the strata of 10 000 bc, like you say 12 000 years ago, and they found ashes and charcoal abundant in all of them, worldwide. The book explains all the other craters, destruction and corroborating ancient legends, and it points to a massive object just missing the earth. Pieces broke off and rained down, the gravitational pull dragged the oceans up over the continents and made the magma rise and fall like a tide, shattering the crust, so volcanoes erupted everywhere. Even geneticists have proved that the extremely small variation in human dna is due to the population being 'pinched off' down to very few survivors at least once, and they said likely more than once. The mammoths with buttercups in their mouths that were found in Siberia, frozen solid, still standing, can only happen with a temperature of around 200 degrees below. This is only possible if space touched the earths surface. Imagine flash freezing a woolly covered ten ton mammal so fast that the meat didnt spoil, that is what happened. the Vedas talk about it. And then the Piri Reis map is the final straw. Taken from source maps said to be at least two thousand years old, it shows antarctica ice free. When first studied in the early 1900's it was ridiculed for being inaccurate in antarctica, but then when the British did a sonar survey in the 40's and mapped the coast underneath the ice, it was right after all. The mayan calculation of the distances between the earth and the moon were only bettered once we put reflectors on the moon and bounced lasers off them in the 70's. In the 60's the Mayan numbers were more accurate. And those ancient stone blocks around the world, all use the same design......
Probably just coincidence, huh?
The God Quetzlcoatl is known as the plumed serpent. imagine a long snake in the sky with plumes flowing out behind it.....a comet perhaps?

 

Vapor coming out the back of a jet fighter?

 

Isn;t there an ancient manuscript nearly perfectly decribing a nuclear explosion. I think it was found in India or somewhere near there. It said something about a bright flash followed by a massive cloud reaching to the heavens and wiped out an entire tribe. Sounds a lot like a meteor or nuclear explosion