This was still talked about in the 80's by hippies that turned nomadic christians, and before that I met maybe one person that was the personification of it in many ways. I have seen the miraculous results it brings, yet it's different with every individual.
hari you have peaked my interest, but I'm not sure what insights concerning "going with the flow" you are looking for. Am I simply missing something here or just digging too deeply? This has kind of been a mantra of ours over the years. It brings a lot of joy to life for me.
Hey Hari, how I see "going with the flow" is that it is a way of harmonising with the day to day events of your life, realising that nothing is really random or meaningless, that everything has a synchronicity, and learning not to fight it, but to go with it...like saying "yes" to life...like being aware that all events and happenings are meaningful and not forcing anything. I think it is a little like the Taoist saying: "Wei Wu Wei". Life is meant to unfold itself like a flower before you, and if you stay in the right mindfulness, and place one foot before the other, you will get where your path means to take you, with ease and joy.
I couldn't have said it better Goddess om. Right on sister! Although even one life is not enough to learn to follow it perfectly, and much less to know exactly what it is, you have summarized it well. More power to you. PJ&L
I feel that I need to share here. I have never really taken the path of least resistance, or as said above, gone with the flow. If I have felt that there was a higher calling,my heart and soul has directed my path throughout life.( Lord knows I've made mistakes and wish I had done some thing different.) Yes, sometimes to harmonize with your surroundings is the path that should be followed and yes, everything we do has a meaning and is not random. If I had always gone with the flow and not fought for what I felt was true and right, not only would I have not been true to myself, but I'm sure there would have been many people/ beings hurt and let down by me not taking action. I think where I am going with this is to say that (and to quote again) we do need to place one foot in front of the other, but don't take any crap form jackasses, dicks, bullys or even our government.... STAND UP AND BE COUNTED. Now, have a great day and we will talk again. (now I need a picture)
I suppose in some way that is going with the flow....it is simply a spiritual flow, and not the flow of society.[/QUOTE]I do agree that we need to stand up and be counted, and I don't think that going with the flow was ever meant to be passive acceptance of crap from anybody - definitely not in my thinking. If you follow your heart it should speak loud and clear about what cannot possibly be tolerated, and following your heart is being in the spiritual flow. It is about being one's authentic self, and not rationalising it, denying it, making excuses why we can't express it fully, and taking an easier path. That is what mindfulness is about, being aware from the radiant center of your being. It is the conflict that arises from going against our heart-centered knowing that causes so many problems. We then wage a war within ourselves, where there should be peace and love. This discussion reminds me of something the Dalai Lama said in answer to someone's question. They wanted to know why on earth the Tibetan people did not stand up to the Chinese and fight. He answered something like this: "Yes, the mind can always make a reason to fight. But the heart knows peace. If we had fought the Chinese, then the war would have been inside of us." I don't think I could do that. Personally, I always feel that if you see someone else being hurt, tortured, etc you stand up and fight for them, even if it means your own death. I could not have been one of those Monks and watched the brutality happen to my brothers and sisters. I would have died beside them. I would not want to live in a world where people sit by idly while others suffer, starve and are brutalised. Whenever I hear myself say "Who doesn't somebody DO SOMETHING about..." then I know it is really about ME doing something. I am it. I'm the one who saw it. I'm the one who knows it should be different. I am the one responsible to change it. Peace Beautiful People, Goddess Om
Going with the flow to me is listening to my higher self and letting my ego die.. getting in tune with the vibrational flow from the Creator that connects us with all living things.. in a perfect world ... or on the other hand it could mean 'don't start no shit and there won't be none'. Peace Love and Hippie Beads <shameless>
I do agree that we need to stand up and be counted, and I don't think that going with the flow was ever meant to be passive acceptance of crap from anybody - definitely not in my thinking. If you follow your heart it should speak loud and clear about what cannot possibly be tolerated, and following your heart is being in the spiritual flow. It is about being one's authentic self, and not rationalising it, denying it, making excuses why we can't express it fully, and taking an easier path. That is what mindfulness is about, being aware from the radiant center of your being. It is the conflict that arises from going against our heart-centered knowing that causes so many problems. We then wage a war within ourselves, where there should be peace and love. This discussion reminds me of something the Dalai Lama said in answer to someone's question. They wanted to know why on earth the Tibetan people did not stand up to the Chinese and fight. He answered something like this: "Yes, the mind can always make a reason to fight. But the heart knows peace. If we had fought the Chinese, then the war would have been inside of us." I don't think I could do that. Personally, I always feel that if you see someone else being hurt, tortured, etc you stand up and fight for them, even if it means your own death. I could not have been one of those Monks and watched the brutality happen to my brothers and sisters. I would have died beside them. I would not want to live in a world where people sit by idly while others suffer, starve and are brutalised. Whenever I hear myself say "Who doesn't somebody DO SOMETHING about..." then I know it is really about ME doing something. I am it. I'm the one who saw it. I'm the one who knows it should be different. I am the one responsible to change it. Peace Beautiful People, Goddess Om[/QUOTE]WHAT SHE SAID !!
once it's been said why repeat it, just nod in agreement and pass the pipe.. Peace <shameless> or is that pass the peace pipe.. ya that's it..
I agree...passivity is the permanent state, but peace is never letting the man trample upon the peaceful. They have to see some agitation in you even if you're perfectly at peace inside. Gandi protested, Krisna fought against demons, Jesus scolded the Pharisees and even his disciples. It is a thin line, but one must be able to discern clearly the difference. In the Bhagavatam there is a story of a Bramin's son (Parasurama) who fought and killed the enemies of the bramins for 21 generations with his ax, even though fighting is not their style.
Most of the time I do go with the flow. That's easy because the life style and the land we live on is settled the way we want it to be. Other times... I just can't go with it. These are times of personal change and growth for me, and it seems that the when I go against the flow and arrange things more to my liking that this is the time of good life lessons.
i usually try to go with the flow - i was flowing along pretty good, but my life became a serious white water adventure. i hate to even tell anybody my story cuz it sounds like serious whining, but so far it ends with "and then the dog died". but it's gotta get better, it has to, i'm gonna make it out the other side. flow me some good thoughts, please, i'm in need of some positive energy.
Hey Babe...sounds awful...sorry to hear you have had it rough. For me too, lately, it has been quite a ride, but at least we're not bored! Will send you much love and peace and blissful vibes...can still manage a few I think (he he he). Perhaps you were stuck somewhere and needed a push? I think sometimes the Universe drags out the Number Nine Boot and gives us a bit of a kick up the bum, it does to me anyway. And sometimes I just blame it on the balancing out of karma. But I know it will get better and smoother. Meanwhile: My three rules for happiness = love what you already have; appreciate all the little things; bless everything and everyone on a daily basis. Now I am sending you my sweetest kisses...muuuuaaaahhhhh...if you were nearby would give you lots of TLC and a massage. Peace Always
thanks much, sister. i can still manage a few too, i'll send some your way. ain't dat da truth! in a perverse way, it actually has been the answer to my prayers - be careful what you wish for! i didn't want to live where i was anymore, so i guess god just looked down and said "sure!" and zap! it's all gone... i know i really don't know all that is in store for me but sometimes to get past a place, i've had to lose it all. once i get started on the starting over it'll be better i'm sure, just it's so hard to see everything fall apart. once upon a time i thought that i was on the right road, now i guess i'll have to try another path. it's kind of exciting, cuz maybe i'll go somewhere i never thought i could go before... yes, i usually try to get by with those rules too, believe it or not. guess since i don't have as much crap cluttering up my life, i can love the things that i do have just that much more. what i'm left with is my kids, my family and my friends... that's all i really need (well, could really use a car but i'm working on that). i actually feel a relief that i don't have so much stuff to lug around, store, pay rent to keep. i hate having yards sales, now i don't have to! i appreciate that! thanks much goddess...
An excellent recepie for happiness! I shall try to remember it daily! Sending love and good vibes to you all! ~mosaic