psychedelics and spirituality

i find psychedelic drugs to be the most spiritual experience on the planet earth. does anyone else here feel similair?

 

I was in my early 20's the last time I had a phychedelic experience. I had plenty at that time but for the experimentation reason not spiritual. I would really like to try them to help me find my spiritual path or help me find my truth. Would love to experiment in that way.

 

I agree. - I never experienced love until i tried shrooms.

 

I would have to break myself in with shrooms, cid might be a little much after such a long time off, lol.

 

Not from your mum even?

 

I had a religious awakening from BZP.

 

THE PROBLEM is that people use drugs because they are bored, want to party, have sex, just get wasted. even psychedelics and plants... they are young, and have not so many demons inside and can just do every drig in the world because it s exiting. life is getting less and less spiritual. that is actually one of my biggest sorrows today.

 

Hang on - it isn't only the young who get bored, or who use drugs to enhance their life experience.


When people say 'spiritual' I wonder sometimes what they mean by it. Seems to me that a fundamental aspect of the new consciousness is a breakdown of the old barriers and dichotomies between what is 'spiritual' and what isn't.

Generally, in the past, if was fun it wasn't spiritual. These days people are seeing things somewhat differently.

 

Finally someone that see's it indeed are not only the young.

 

Psychedelics can be very spiritual and mind-expanding, but I do not believe that drugs have even close to a monopoly on "spiritual" experiences. Ever had really really good sex? Not nervous, performance-anxiety-ridden, fumbling-around-in-the-back-seat-of-Dad's-Ford sex, but transcend-this-moment, body-quivering, can't-help-but-moan sex. Ever stared death in the face, or watched a loved one die? Ever witnessed childbirth? Ever given an unexpected gift that blew the doors off somebody? Ever taught somebody how to read after forty years of illiteracy?

There are so many "spiritual" experiences, and to worship psychedelics as the ultimate is to ignore a huge range of the human experience, all of which can be used to further progress to love, liberation, and total peace with God

 

Huh?

 

i agree. completely.



i think that it's not really the act of taking psychedelics that is more spiritual than other things. i think that psychedelics can produce psychedelic thinking, and that applies to everything there is to think about. i think that spiritual thinking and psychedelic thinking are very close cousins, or brother and sister, or even the same thing. i think that they are a mode of thinking outside of our first four circuits, which are basically animalistic. or as prabhupada would say, "eat, sleep, mate, defend". to step outside of that, and either look at it, or look in a different direction, but not to be preoccupied with it. which doesn't mean that eating, sleeping, mating, defending, are not spiritual or psychedelic experiences. augh no this would take way too long for me to write out eloquently, it's 5 am and i will come back to this later. haha.

 

Hmmm....yes, I suppose thinking differently is a start - but the thing with psychedelics is really that they can take you beyond the realms of ordinary thinking into something which is much more direct.
My own experiences have convinced me that the mind is an overated thing. It has it's place and is useful to us humans, but it can also lead to limitation, narrowness and so on. There is no final mental idea or proposition which one can really say is the 'truth'. All the conflicts between different belief systems come from the assumption that there is.
It is more about a direct experience of reality.
They can help you to connect with your own being at all levels.

That said, I ought to say too that myself I haven't used any psychedelic for a decade. At one phase of my life they were useful for me, but there are limitations, and they can only show you so much, only take you so far.

It can be very interesting and expansive to look at different levels of existence and planes of reality etc, but in the end it is what you can bring back with you that counts.
I'm more interested these days in this plane of reality, and how the lessons learned from psychedelics can be brought to bear on it in a creative and positive way

 

im only twenty, one day thats what i plan on doing

 

A worthy aim, but don't fall into the drop out druggie trap - get your material life sorted out too - it is important.

 

i agree, there is so much i want to do in the world, so many spiritual experiences (not psychedelic one) but i feel trapped, i havent a clue wat i want to do with my life and i dont wanna just live the "hippie life" and be poor all the way through, i will probably take over my fathers business because financially i will almost be definetly set. but i dont want my entire life to just be a repeat, i want to get out and do new stuff, but at the same time i have no idea how ill do that with college, maybe i will for a few years after college, but then idk

 

I'd certainly go for college - if nothing else, it might be a new experience.

Genarally, I think you're on the right track in saying you don't want to be poor - if you are poor, you become disempowered, and also just surviving can take up all your energy.
These days, a lot of what was once new and radical and labelled 'hippy' is being assimilated into the mainstream. That's probably the only way things can change harmoniously.
In some ways, a lot of what is generally thought of as 'new age' is part of this process.
I know people who hold down good jobs and yet they are involved in other stuff too - the festival scene, protests etc, stuff like healing, meditation - all sorts of stuff. Psychedelics even!
If you want to travel around a bit, perhaps you'll find a way to fit in in with your life. I hope so.

It can be hard sometimes to visualize one's own future life - I know, I've done it many times and been wrong. Where I saw only a blank, something has come along to fill it.
Generally I think if you have good will then that in itself will carry you a long way.

 

i used to worship psychadelics, they were my religion.


i have learned that while on one hand these mind expanding creations can aid you in the process of discovering buried truths they can also aid you in the destruction of your sense of self. they can break down your individuality! what i mean by this is psychadelics are not for everyone..this is no understatement.

if you can keep from abusing them- you have my blessings.but what if you need a spiritual awakening every weekend? or every other day.

they expand your mind for the time being but if you push your limits and they are not made for you..they could shrink your brain into a pea of confusion.

 

Worshipping psychedelics is probably not a good idea. They are a tool, nothing more.


They may indeed break down the sense of self, but probably that's because the sense of self is a constructed thing, and often quite illusory or false. Many people are actually disconnected from their inner self.

I'd say psychedelics can actually put you more in touch with your real self at a deep level. They can also show where changes might be needed in one's life, which could concievably lead to a kind of re-construction of the self, or sense of self.

If you do them every other day, you'd end up with a tolerance fairly rapidly. One can only have the psychedelic experience so often. If you do them too much, they will cease to work.

In today's world there are a great number of weak minded people. Arguably, this is result, at least in part of the dumbed down culture we are surrounded by. In some, even mild substances like cannabis can lead to mental imbalance.
That's not to say there is anything wrong with the substances, but with the conditioning which people have recieved, and not only from the mainstream culture, but from hippy type BS also.

Things like psychedelics can only be bad for such people. They are definitely not for eveyone, but that doesn't mean of course that they're not for anyone.

 

I don't think psychedelics are bad for anybody unless they are used incorrectly. In the various cultures that use psychedelics as part of their religion, they are used about once a week, and none of the health studies done on them showed any ill effects, that includes the elderly and children. There are no limits on what they can do, except the persons imagination that does them.

The archaeological evidence of the use of various psychoactive plants and fungi, far out date any known religion, it likely dates back to the dawn of the human species. The use of them is probably a key ingredient in the invention of religion, in the first place. Religion would be a by-product of an aspect of the experience.