dont think they have yet or at least i havent heard what i heard discussed though was washington or i think new mexico again/..both would be sweet but the east is more in desperate need, i have been hopin for new england for last few years, lotsa ppl been talkin vermount ever since utah i guess, but those arent really folks who bother with vission council. i guess my answer is then that i have no answer..lol at least not yet
there were a lot of hopes for New Mexico and some folks expressed this but I heard a fairly solid rumor that it will be Wyoming next year...
what are u talking about needs to be west coast.. cali was west utah west its been west 3 outta 4 times since..hmm how long now? its suposed to be east 1 year west the next to make it ez on every1, but more often then not it ends up west.. 80% of the east coast family is falling apart because of this..potlucks are dwindling in size, ppl are becomming disconnected and east coast family is having as harder & harder time makin that long haul every year while west coast folks complain if its 3 states away in all fairness the next 3 should be eastern
Supposed to be? Acording to who? What council consensed on that one when? Look at the geography of the lower 48. Look at where the National Forests are. Look at where the big meadows for Circle (and parking!) are. If y'all need Plunker and SP and Sailor and Badger &c to come by every other year to tell y'all how to Rainbow, falling apart might not be the worst thing that could happen. That sucks. It really does. One of the many reasons my family didn't CROSS TO THE WEST SIDE OF THE MISSISSIPPI RIVER to go to the Gathering this year was fuel prices. But I'd rather go to fewer Gatherings on good sites than try to gather on 'least bad' sites like WV and AR. NV-UT-CO, for example, is a bit more of a drive than PA-OH-IN. States get bigger out thataway. Go find 3 good sites. There's never been a Gathering in Nebraska. Yes, there's a NF there, the Samual R McKelvie. The largest hand-planted forest in the world, I believe. Pretty darned close to the geographic center of the lower 48, and equally inconvienent for everybody.
i doubt it'll be new mexico that gathering was to close lately. also there is now going to be a regional in a couple of weeks. i heard washington. you would think they would have decided on the 7th like they were suppose to. on another note they are suppose to do a east coast gathering after two west/middle coast gatherings
i actually talked to a scouting brother while in Arkansas about why there hasn't been a gathering in the NE in a while and he simply said that there isn't a national forest that would hold a gathering, but i disagreed with him. The location this year was pretty bad in respect to the fact that there was not a good spot for main circle. So if it's the fact that there are no locations to hold a meadow area, then why was Arkansas picked this year? As Soaringeagle said, the NE phamily is getting weaker because it is harder for us to make it out to the other side of the country.
thats no excuse,, if you rely on a annual to strengthen your tribe,, you are weak as a whole. if your tribe is dwendling in numbers its of your own accord. you cant blame the rest of the family outside the north east because none of you have enough motivation to bring family together. instead of bitchin about the annuals bein so far away,, why not plan a buncha regionals,, or potlucks and drum circles?? if noone shows,, its not because the nationals are 2000 miles away,, its because the family in the northeast doesnt care to keep the family in the northeast together.. once again,, thats bullshit,, dont blame the rest of the family for yalls lack of desire...
wanderimngturnup i dont know what year the concensus was to move east 1 year west the other i just know thats been a longstanding thing, which has been ignored in past years i also disagree about lack of suitable sites & think several of the last west coast gatherings fell short on suitability and more suitable sites could have been easily found eastward, but less efforts been put into scouting eastern forrests and lastly who said anything about needing plunker sp sailor & whatever to come by? those are your words not mine (you do tend to add your own interpretation of what others are saying dont u?) i was saying only that the east coast is suffering from the lack of nearby, easily reachable gatherings year after year, older veteran rainbows may make it alot less often, & lose contact with local family, & the biggest devastation is the sharp decrease in participation from newer family, all up & down the east coast ive heard simular stories, how potlucks which for 30 years always drew 30-50 people dwindled to 3-5 just in the past several years when the tradition of moving coast to coast fairly was abandoned or deemed inpracticle
well then there tribes are weak and they choose to long for something that they themselves cant recreate, instead of build on what they have,so they give up and walk away.. its not a national that killed those potlucks,,its people giving up.. if they didnt there would still be at least 30 to 50 still attending those potlucks.. if a "new to rainbow" has no where to go because the oldtimers gave up.. id say its the tribes fault. not because the national didnt come east.. rather sad actually... sad that people need a scapegoat for there own actions,,or non actions....
sure thats why ya hear the exact same thing all over the east, potlucks & picnics that have been around almost as long as rainbow has all have dwindled, we hear this complaint from nyc from atlanta from virtualy all over the east.. & yes we've also lost many of our best focalizers as well lack of desire huh? we've done mailings phone trees websites kept the lightline up tried getting together for camping trips..regionals may help slightly, maine & pa are having 1 this year for 1st time in a few.. but theres nothing in the world that gives a bigger boost then having a national within a 5 state area especialy if its consistently every other year 1 will be easily reachable, not just 1 in 8 years
I have to agree with HHB & Wandering Turn-up, blaming Vision Council for the lack of focalization in the East just doesn't make sense. If east coast folks want to have the Annual move east, then y'all should be putting more energy into potlucks & regionals. If all the good focalizers have moved on, then find some new folks to focalize...use the regionals to scout for a good Annual site & if y'all find one, bring it to Vision Council. Oh & by the way, 2nd & 3rd reliable rumor mongers have said that Family will be Oming in Wyoming for 2008
87 NC 92 CO 97 OR 02 MI 07 AR 88 TX 93 KY/AL 98 AZ 03 UT 08 WY(?) 89 NV 94 WY 99 PA 04 CA 90 MN 95 NM 00 MT 05 WV 91 VT 96 MO 01 ID 06 CO I could have looked up the list on WelcomeHome, but that's what I can remember. I might have MI and UT reversed. 87 and 88 were before my time. Where's the pattern? OK, after CO, someplace stupid, then WY. But where's this east/west pattern? Or has it not been present since 87? I am wary of statements that mention how RFOLL and it's Gatherings are "supposed" to be. A Gathering is like finding some fantasy creature in the National Forest, like a gryphon, or a dragon or something. It's not supposed to be at all, not in this Universe, any way. It's a miracle that it is. I haven't found anybody that I think understands what it is any better than I do, and Lord knows I'm still trying to figure it out.
why did this thread turn into an argument thread all i did was ask a simple question where did council decide on for next year there doesn't need to be any arguments where council decides is where it happens.
i dont see where anyone is arguing in this thread,.. fine a couple people are whining a bit,an others are trying to make them rationalise, but that happens every year .. someone doesnt like where the gathering will be next year an they bitch an complain.. if you think this is a argument,, you've led a very sheltered life...
'cause somebody who thinks he understands the Family better than you and me both decided to go on about how things arent as they should me, and scared off that girl from Portland, what 's her screenname, rosyposy?
You didn't have to. You said you wanted the Annual East, I guess you mean of the Appalachains, not just the Mississippi, and they're the fleas that come with that dog, or hadn't you noticed? But if not any of the above named, then who is your guru that's destroying us by his absence? Most of the gatherings I've been to, I want to say especially the more recent ones, but that might not be true, the typical rainbow I meet on the trail is a white male late teens to late 20s at his first gathering. They don't get much more new than that. Once again, when was this? If this tradition was abandoned, surely you can put at least an aproximate date to the event?
HI,,, As hippiestead has sd,,, Wyoming,,, my question is why Wyoming? I dont care where it is, as long as it is! I know why Vt. and Washington need healing and love,,, I know there are scary racists in Parts of Wyoming, it's reall pretty, and I actually enjoy sleeping under the stars there, shooting stars, bats, but bein outta the loop so to speak, well whats up w/ Wyoming, other than comfort? I am sure you will have a very nice way of lettin us know Turnip! By the way, I met a sis who did calm for yrs, she retired, she is in a kitchen now,, sometimes when we have done the same "job" for so long we get burnt out,,, I have found this to be true not just for myself, but others,,,what other talents might a strong minded, good brother or sister have to utilize when a new chapter opens? Just a hint. I am only a spec of dust in these universes, I dont do big things, I do however do many many small things, and I stay outta the lime light, over the course of time I have a tiny bit of wisdom,,,, so dont jump on me! Okey Dokey? Please Let Your Lovelights SHOW!! I am smiling as I say this in a very sweet way,,, LOVE<LOVE<LOVE
