No it doesn't parents have the FREEDOM to talk to their kids and educate them, parents should be a child's hero and mentor not the govt. If we raise them right in the home, then in society they will stand out
But how many adults haven't been brainwashed by the government, media, and popular culture into thinking that sex ed starts when puberty does? How many adults are willing and able to have these in-depth conversations that need to be had with their small children? Not a whole hell of a lot. We're in a big catch-22 here. Parents don't have nearly the freedoms we'd like to believe and it's all been self-made.
Good point, Hippyfreek! Plus, certain religions don't exactly help. I am refering to Catholism, which argues that birthcontrol is a sin. I've read the literature but can't repeat any of it due to the fact that it is totally illogical. Seriously, pope, work on logical arguments before publishing it! Lol. Wish I could tell him that... Sorry that's a little off topic. Peace & Love
Now thats the dumbest argument ever. So if I sleep with a girl and then she tells me she is on the pill should I be mad at her because she killed my creation. If my wife fell pregnant and didn't want the baby then so be it. You wouldn't want a baby born without love. I'm going to turn that question round on its head. How would you feel if you were born because your dad had forced your mum into having you and she resented you every day you were born because of the life she could have had. She is stuck with him and stuck with you. If a man wants a child with a woman he should find a woman who wants to have a child with him not pressure a woman who doesn't want kids to have one just because you and her may not have taken the correct precautions.
Hey, fuck you buddy. Abortion is a nessacary thing in developing countries. I just heard a woman give a talk about the Global Gag Rule, talking about how hard life for women in developing countries is. How shitty the lives of the babies are, and how many women die each year from giving themselvs abortions....80,000 think they took the risk because they wern't ready to be mothers? No, they do it out of extrem desperation, where is your sympathy for a mother who can't feed herself, and now has a child on the way? What about rape and incest? Anyway about your connection to war-abortion, yeah I deffinetly see the connection, none of these people should have to die, we need a better goverment. Its funny, I used to be anit-abortion, now I am pro, you used to be pro, now your anti. ain't it crazy
quote: even 3,000 Americans in 3yrs and abortions kill 3,500 babies a day i see you don't even think it necessary to bring up all of the Iraqi citizens who have been killed. Fits right into a stereotype, against abortion, thinks that god has blessed America over all others. If I'm wrong about you, explain yourself.
WHite Americans being the key. Maybe abortions should only be allowed for minorities and non-christians...maybe even encouraged!
Would you care to break that down for us? Please explain why minorities need abortions more than caucasians. While we're on the subject, and bearing in mind that I am about as pro-choice as one can be, let me point out that birth control in one form or another almost everywhere in the US is FREE OF CHARGE. Technically that would be the more responsible solution.
Ehhh tough crowd. Anyway I just saw a woman give a speech about how abortions in 3rd world countries are very nessacary. They have very little access to birth control, 5 condoms a year for every guy in Africa, and many women resort to trying to give themselvs abortions, something like 800,00 a year die from it, and she belived that was an underreported number. Women do this because they barley can feed themselvs and their existing families, and they don't want to have another suffering child. And in America minorities need abortions more because there is a higher chance of their unwanted children becoming criminals, but don't take my word for it, this point is argued in the book Freakanomics. So for these reasons and more I am for abortion
I'm sorry but I think that point is completely bullshit, and is half the problem that Americans are facing. The old "it's not my fault, I've been brainwashed by the government" excuse. People need to start taking some fucking responsibility in their lives. Good parenting isn't something that you read in a book or look to the government to tell you how to do it. It is passed on through the generations. If your parents brought you up "well", most likely you will have good parental instincts.
To adhere to the forum guidelines regarding posting off-topic, I will answer the post originators question. I believe that every war with the exception of the Vietnam war has been justified more than most of the abortions that have occured. That being said, here is my stand on abortion. I believe there could be two options, neither affecting me. 1. Ban medical abortions except in the case of proven rape. If a pregnant mother wants to abort her child and kills herself in the process, that is her fucking problem. We now have a dead fetus and a dead irresponsible mother. Problem solved. 2. Allow medical abortions. It is the choice of the mother to kill her gift from God. It is also the choice of the doctor who is performing the abortion to take the mothers gift from God. They are the ones that will be going to Hell and will have to deal with God. I believe Oliver Stone hit the nail on the head when he said "We are a society going to Hell." I truly believe we are. Whatever religion you believe in, if any, does anybody think that destroying a human life is a good thing? Now we could fight till the end of time as to when a human life is unworthy of being aborted, but who are we kidding? Society is over-sexxed. A very good example of this is the clothing that todays children are wearing. Have any of you seen 10-12 year old girls with low cut jeans and thongs hanging out? Does anybody think that maybe pre-pubescent children should not be worried about looking "sexy"? Lastly, everybody is fucking these days. What would the average age be? 13? 14? From that age on it is more or less fuck whoever, whenever, till you feel like getting married. Then hell, why should marriage stop some good ol' sleeping around. Get a divorce, then continue to fuck whoever, whenever. There really is no stopping it. I think this is just how we are evolving as human. Only the individual can choose how they are going to act according to their beliefs. That is why I am mostly impartial on the abortion issue. I would never choose to do so, and if anybody else does, then in my beliefs they are the ones that are going to burn in hell for eternity (and that is a very long time) Hey, if you wanna fuck everybody in the bar, then do it. If you get knocked up and don't want the kid, then have an abortion. If you feel that you will never be judged for your actions, then what are you worried about? Do what you will. I think governments step in to try and help society, but we can really only help ourselves. Just my opinions here. Not trying to ruffle any feathers, believe what you will, and I will believe what I will.
Not every abortion, is chosen because the woman wants to have the baby, it because she can’t, like if she was mental retarded or if it was biologically impossible for her. Also it is just a stereotype that people who support abortion are also against the war in Iraq, that is a lie that Republicans want to tell the “moral” majority, so they can win their votes.
I also dont remember anything before the age of around 4. Does that mean I didnt have a brain or didnt have rights? Its rare if people remember back that far. I am a very liberal person but this is where I draw the line, abortion done for specific purposes is fine. I dont think anyone with a few grand should be able to go get an abortion... there is this thing called responsibility but people dont seem to have much of that anymore. Sure a girl was raped and doesnt want a child... but like mentioned earlier, some irresponsible girl who cant keep her legs clothes fucked up and now wants to abort the baby... uh no, thats just disgusting and I have no respect for people like that. I'd rather be for the death penalty, where murders get fried on the electric chair, rahter than some "fetus" who hasnt had a chance yet in life to be murdered or "aborted".
You are taking my post completely out of context. That was a reply to someone trying to tell us what a baby thought in the womb. After the sixth month of pregnancy the baby's brain is almost completely devoloped. It's common and available knowledge, and I was well aware of it. I wasn't trying to say that because you don't remember you didn't have a brain. I also think that babies have rights. I just don't think that an embryo has any right that trumps the woman's that embryo is in. Right to life is first given to the embryo (and to any person alive today) by the mother, who brings life into the world, not any government or set of laws. A pregnancy happens in the woman's body, therefore i think that woman should have control over the pregnancy, and the progression of it. Banning abortions is treating women like forced incubators because no matter how perfect you expect all women to be, there are going to be women who get pregnant that, for some reasons or another, feel they can't handle the pregnancy. That's just the reality of the situation, and I prefer working within reality than expecting people to preform to utopian ideals of a perfect world.
No would be mother will have to answer to God for aborting a baby, but we will all have to answer to each other for it. Babies are not something to be possesed by their parents/owned by their parents. They are not entirely the "responsibility" of their mother's or their father's either. Babies are everyone's responsibility. If a woman chooses to have an abortion, it isn't her responsibility, it is ours, all of us, and it is a failure by all of us to live up to who we are.
war is wrong because you are actively killing people. independent people. abortion is killing a fetus. which is still part of a person. also people are going to have abortions whether theyre legal or not. making them illegal endagers the mother.
