Britains youth: fucked?

Discussion in 'U.K.' started by CrucifiedDreams, Jun 9, 2007.

  1. CrucifiedDreams

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    I was reading this article just a few minutes ago in their magazine, and came online to see if it was on the website too and it is. Though not from England, being a teenager in america, I felt like this article made a lot of good points. I wanted to post it and see what your thoughts were on it, how true the points made in this article are from your point of view, living in the UK. It's a long one, but hopefully you'll enjoy it. I did.




     
  2. CrucifiedDreams

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    http://adbusters.org/the_magazine/71/Generation_Fcked_How_Britain_is_Eating_Its_Young.html
     
  3. mellowthyme

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    There are truths in this article, some real truths. But for me it continues the constant negative message we are being fed on a daily bases. I know there will be people here who will disagree with this but I believe the decline began in 1979 when Thatcher came to power. This is ultimately a class issue as this article of youth crime is referring to feral street kids; Oliver Twist by any chance? That was a book full disease, slave working, hard living, crime and dishonesty where people understood their place.

    After the huge strife this country went through and post 1945, progress and investment was made in its people, it could have been better and probably would have been if it had continued. Again, it was damaged through the corruption of government when offering regeneration contracts and social housing, using the ideas of leading continental thinkers of Le Corbusier and the German Art School, Bauhaus. The self conscientious property developers decided to cut corners and chuck up shit and inferior designs with substandard materials, knowing that they would never go near any of these estates never mind live in one.

    After 1979 there was a huge change in how we began to look at ourselves, granted there began greater social mobility through the class system where the few working class who were able to cash in on the credit culture and buy their council house benefited, but this was short lived. The over riding belief was you can do it for yourself without state intervention. It was about making money at almost any cost, a return to Victorian values. Through the breaking up of the unions we have slowly seen our employments rights almost disappear which had taken millions of lives and many years to achieve, I’m referring to the war again. We now work longer and probably earn less, most definitely pre 1980’s. Although there has been huge monetary investment in the education and health systems I’m meeting kids who’s basic understanding and ability is far worse than my generation and mine suffered the cut backs of the 80’s when teachers were on strike and we were managed by support workers and not taught. I know real stories of people receiving a shoddy services from their GP’s and an actual cost to themselves from their hospitals through parking fees, telephone charges, prescriptions, etc.

    I know that students and some of you could verify this are leaving education with around £12 – 15 grands worth of debt, this figure is predicted to rise to around £30 grand in the near future, it’s simply obscene when this government came to power with an overriding agenda with a mantra of EDUCATION, EDUCATION, EDUCATION!

    The reference with the USA is ironic. This country has been saturated with superficial American culture for almost 30 years. This began with the seduction of the blockbusters from Hollywood. The images of grand living, huge cars and an almost perfect life-style where your living was relaxed and ambitions almost given have seduced us all to the point we have began to look physically like Americans in our fashion and physique as a country. The desire to own a huge 4x4 machine and wearing baseball caps with NY or calling footie ‘soccer’.

    Blair tried to use the permissive beliefs of the hippy ideal and the 1970’s as the reasons we are suffering these social ill’s, basically the sexual revolution and single parenting, it is cheap. These were the beliefs of peace and harmony, helping and supporting each other and working toward the greater good and not self-interest. I know that is a romantic hope and is almost unachievable but to site the hippy belief system as the root cause just shows either how removed he is or just maintaining the propaganda machine. I find that he is one of these people who has been ultimately seduced by the American political culture, so much so we are caught up in conflicts around the world. Again, he is one of the ‘kids’ who were tuning in and dropping out and along with others are the policy makers who have created our misery today. He is maintaining a social system of Interactionism, the overriding belief system of America and adopted by Thatcher. The wealth trickle down effect. Has anyone seen this come around? The mantra should really be 'GREED, GREED, GREED'.

    There was a news item on the BBC, another shit news channel that was pushing and supporting strawberries fruit farmers, in its editorial. The farmers are complaining that they will have to let some of their harvest go to seed simply because they cannot get enough labour to pick the fruit. The simple truth is if they paid enough for people to do this backbreaking and physically tough job then maybe there might not be an issue, this goes back to the profit they are making.

    I have now a belief that our police force, and I have finally recognised or accepted a need that to live in a society the size of this one, 60 million citizen there needs to be enforced order. This belief is that the force is one of the most tolerant and uncorrupt in the world, and I've suffered at the hands of some and witnessed others. The problem is when you find out that over 90,000 police officers went un-prosecuted for motoring offences when every motorist is being screwed by the system it can only fill you with mistrust and anger.

    Kids today are probably taking their own route and understanding in 'tuning in and dropping out'. I’d be careful not to condemn them too quickly as we begin to sound like the generate who used the same rhetoric against us. I just hope that there is maybe a shining light of enlightenment with the younger generation and they become politicized on a scale where we all become active and begin to have cause. I don’t want to sound like Wolfie Smith but something has to give. God help Germany and France when Merkil and Sarkozy look to the UK and USA as models to be adopted and implimented in their countries. I’m just waiting for France to burn and shuts down.

    Libertaire, Viva La France!!!!!
     
  4. dhARmaMiLlO

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    Saw this coming a long time ago.
    I live in, what was coined in the 90's, the worst city in Britain. The nightly violence is not so much now. They have decided to fence off areas into quadrants with magnetic pass keys. So joyriding has become very difficult. It's pretty much like Judge Dredd.
    However, communities have had a chance in the calm to rebuild and a concerted effort is being made.

    The points about working class empty materialsim are a good observation of how the children/chavs function. However, when you are surrounded by concrete and dogshit, having the latest designer gear is a comfort against the total lack of nature arround you. It's unfortunate that the materialsim becomes rampant and status linked.

    'Eating their Children' Yes, you can see the malnutritioned people everywhere. Their legs as thin as arms. The local shops here (the ones still left and secure behind metal bars) only sell the cheapest tinned food, with no nutrients in them. There are fresh food shops around but education as to how to correctly feed yourself is lacking.

    In fact, education is at fault for many things. Many working class parents think schools should be bringing up the children which is a terrible mistake. Schools should only teach academic subjects. Not what's right and wrong; that's a family's job. The children are left in limbo by parents who are too busy with their careers or are teenagers themselves and want to escape the sacrifice of parenthood and schools that cannot cope with the overburdening responsibilties.

    Some blame (& this is an unpopular idea) can be placed on feminists. For wrongly emulating the male career as something superior to home-making. The problem was not what each sex was doing but how badly men under-appreciated women at the time.
    I think we can place most of the blame firmly on egotistical capitalism, the one that America preaches to the world. The one that only thinks in the short term with 'me me' greed. How should children behave when they are watching their future being squandered by a self-centred greedy generation before them?

    As is the case in Salford, those children are now parents and grandparents, the problem has been here for a long time. Hope was non-existant in the 90's. However, the rising trends toward caring for our suffering environment might slowly trickle past the middle class and, hopefully, have a by-product of countering the rampant materialism that hurts us all in many ways.

    What will help the mind of a young child? An orchard of apple trees to climb and play amongst, which snow blossom every spring and give fruit every autumn or a car-park play area covered in broken glass where they can take out a fake plastic apple tree - complete with fake 'apple cent' made from real cut-down processed trees... Hmm... smashing that car window over there looks more fun.
     
  5. dhARmaMiLlO

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    ahah, seem to have been posting the same time as you MellowThyme :)
    I agree with your points.
    In fact, I think the damage done to the British psyche by WWII is not fully appreciated. I have many examples, but have to go to work now. catchyalater!
     
  6. mellowthyme

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    Yeah, and the irony that we both take a point of view that is echoed in our own communities, these being northern towns.

    We have taken similar points of view but from differing perspectives. Interesting that they compliment eachother, nice one Dharm.

    Good to see it's struck a chord with others?[​IMG]
     
  7. shedtroll

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    Ok, as a Young person, I must Input!

    Ok, so what's are people doing wrong? Where to start? Well, first off, the Media.

    They seem to show Young people exclusively as Chavs or Neds. Hell, even Debates in the Scottish parliament involve the word 'Ned'. This causes the older generation to think ALL young people are chavs (and it doesn't help matters that chavs are the most visual niches of people).

    So, since people want Young people in general to be 'Brought into line', completely ignoring the fact not all YP are chavs! So what happens? Yup, you guessed it, They turn to blair and blair sends out ASBOs. ABSOs are just paper, and even the ASBOtees know this! THEY DON'T WORK YOU DUMBASSES!

    Here's my solution as a Young person:

    Punish the few, no the many. PUNISH THOSE WHO HAVE DONE SOMETHING WRONG!!!!

    So the good side of our youth. So that OTHER young people are doing! THERE ARE YP who are amature designers, Programmers, sports people...

    Review the ASBO, and if possible, scrap it!! Why? IT'S NOT WORKING!!!
     
  8. fountains of nay

    fountains of nay Planet Nayhem!

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    ASBOs are a joke. The fact that you can get an ASBO for swearing... but Abu Hamza can sit in London preaching about hating westerners and nothing is done about it because of freedom of speech.
     
  9. _chris_

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    Fundamentally, a lot of Kids in the UK are growing up in working class area's, in working class schools, they dont get an education which would allow a break from the poverty cycle, and the poverty goes on. The UK is a devided society, as is the rest of the capitalist world. There are the haves, and the have nots, and it just happens to be that a fair whack of Brittish kids happen to belong to the have nots, and this is the reason as to why there is youth crime etc, and why reports are coming out saying the same things as this article.
     
  10. fountains of nay

    fountains of nay Planet Nayhem!

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    Ontheotherhand, there are more young adults from working class backgrounds going to university than ever before.
     
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