MEAT Your Dinner

Discussion in 'Poetry' started by SweetMarie, May 31, 2007.

  1. mortes

    mortes Senior Member

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    Whats wrong with you?
     
  2. Kether

    Kether Member

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    Imagine a Nazi posted a poem here, attacking something you take for granted(love and peace maybe). No matter how well the poem was written, you'd attack right back, perhaps using crass and (to the Nazi) offensive comments.

    Now, you might see a Nazi preaching as very different from a vegan preaching, but they're both on the pulpit, and they're both trying to impose their beliefs, and believe themselves superior to those with different ones.

    Better example perhaps...a homophobe posts a well-written poem, based on his moral stance that homosexuality is wrong. His stance may be based partly on logic, but mostly on strong and passionate emotions(the "Ewwww!" factor, combined with the "G-d says that's wrong!" one perhaps). You would still attack his position, ecspecially if you yourself were a homosexual.
     
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    I don't believe myself to be "superior" to anybody. I just feel strongly that no living creature is superior to another, which is the reason for the poem in the first place. I just wanted to make people think....every breathing soul should have rights. I hardly think my writing a poem about the process of animal slaughter is comparable to an evil Nazi, or a homophobe. My "preaching" isn't negative, even though some would rather not here it. It's funny that the subject is so easy for people to dismiss, or make fun of. If you don't agree, that's fine-there's really nothing to agree or disagree with. I don't eat meat, here's why.....it's fact-that's the end of it. You eat meat, wish things were different...they're not-it's cool. None of my friends are vegetarians, I don't think they're assholes. We all have different views on things and I understand that.
    PEACE OUT
     
  4. mortes

    mortes Senior Member

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    marie I really hope you didn't take offense to my post. I did it all because its hilarious. I'm not a vegetarian (I won't elaborate as to why here either) but I don't eat a lot of meat at all.

    oh and if you still wanna be eaten, just lemme know :D
     
  5. SweetMarie

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    No man, no offense at all. I'm used to it, really. Oh, and I'll keep it in mind, thanks!
     
  6. natural philosophy

    natural philosophy bitchass sexual chocolate

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    well written. i thought it would be stupid by the title, but it's actually impressive.

    and a pretty accurate portrayal of what happens in factory farms when the animals aren't killed immediately. it's really actually pretty commonplace, especially in high-output factory farms like tyson. people are usually surprised to learn about it, and they totally reject the notion that these animals suffer for some reason. good work.
     
  7. Kether

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    Did you just capitalise things randomly throughout?
    It's comparable to an "evil Nazi" who writes a poem about his Nazi beliefs in that the Nazi obviously writes his poetry to get more Fascism and anti-Semitism flowing, and you're doing the same for vegitarianism. I'm not comparing vegitarianism to Nazism, or writing a poem on vegitarianism to Nazism, but pointing out you are preaching, and if others preached to you about beliefs you take for granted, you'd attack back.


    Again, a Nazi, or a homophobe, or a fundie Christian would say the exact same thing, but changing "I don't eat meat.....You eat meat" to "I hate faggots...you don't hate faggots".etc.

    Sorry if I sound like an asshole here. I actually am a veggie myself, but i just generally keep it to myself unless I absolutely need to let anyone else know(like buying a veggie burger). Live and let live I say, and maybe you'll say "Well, they're not letting the animals live!". Yeah, well, the way I see it, practically everything we do is metaphorically taking a great big dump on someone else, on people on the other side of the world, on our planet itself, or on our childrens future. Deal with your shit, and how your great big dump is fucking up something, somewhere, then live and let live.

    Suggestion? Write a poem on something you know your life and the way you're living it is fucking up something for someone. Write about the shoes you're wearing made by kids in a country you've never heard off. Or all the energy and materials wasted so you could have the computer that we've used to say all this shit. Or how practically everything you own or do is shitting on the little guy. Then, change how you live...or, don't. That's poetry. Live and let live.
     
  8. natural philosophy

    natural philosophy bitchass sexual chocolate

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    are artists supposed to color inside the lines? this poem is art, whether or not you think it is good art or bad art, it is a form of expression. who cares if words are randomly capitalized. it's part of the expression

    who cares
     
  9. Kether

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    An artist can either a.)paint inside the lines, b.)explain why he isn't doing so, and be part of or create an art movement. Otherwise, he's just lazy, and not an artist, but a scribbler. I just hate it when people capitalise words as if it gives them more meaning. So that "darkness" becomes "Darkness".etc, .etc. Real deep. Then here it's done randomly throughout, losing even that aspect of it.

    Well then who cares if someone eats some meat? Get over yourself.
     
  10. natural philosophy

    natural philosophy bitchass sexual chocolate

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    hey hey hey i agree with you here, though.
     
  11. Kether

    Kether Member

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    :)
     
  12. natural philosophy

    natural philosophy bitchass sexual chocolate

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    i think you are the one making the big stink here
     
  13. natural philosophy

    natural philosophy bitchass sexual chocolate

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    my shoes;
    were made by children;
    their tiny hands suffer;
    for me.
    to be.



    fashionable.







    you like my poem?
     
  14. natural philosophy

    natural philosophy bitchass sexual chocolate

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    my komputer IS a waste of Energy
    I hope you like It

    That I am wasting your energy
    the energy That you could be Using

    to feed
    the children that make the shoes

    but we're not.

    we are.
    wasting our time.
    on the Internet.
     
  15. Kether

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    I'm not very fond of you.
     
  16. natural philosophy

    natural philosophy bitchass sexual chocolate

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    haha im just funnin with ya. yer cool
     
  17. Kether

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    I know.
     
  18. hailtothekingbaby

    hailtothekingbaby Yowzers!

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    ...BUT with the intent of converting you? Like christians don't??

    Preaching through poetry is an artistic liberty. I don't see anything wrong with it. What bugs me more is why you are discouraging someone to state their principles or talk about those aspects of life that move them.

    But, Kether, I don't want to criticise you any more than you already had to bear in this thread and what I meant above all is that there's not much of a difference than proclaiming what you stand for and trying to get others on your side, because yes, if something means a lot to you, then you'll want others to see this same light as you. It's logical.
     
  19. Kether

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    Okay, again, just my opinion, but what makes poetry great is it's universal nature. You read a poem, and get from it what you want. You apply your own story, your own desires and beliefs. Each reader gets what they want. I'm not saying you shouldn't write about your beliefs on Animal Rights, but perhaps you could make it more universal, allow readers to take what they want and can from it. A poem that's real blatant offers only two options for the reader...a.)they totally agree with you as they are already a vegan, b.)they're not a vegan, and will go on the offensive.
    I doubt anyone will ever become vegan because of a poem, and if they do it would have to be one hell of a poem, that crawls it's way up your ass, and takes over your soul. That's just one opinion on one aspect of this poem, but I really do like it as a poem.
    I think this smacks of feeling superior.
     
  20. VanAstral

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    Is this about a cow?
    I love the title!
    Please don’t anyone get mad at me.

    i’m not big on meat
    but boy o boy the Colonel’s
    breasts are beautiful

    You might even say the Colonel’s breasts are the chicken’s mittens.

    Chipmunks little this year,
    still early, I blame…
    global warming?

    so come fall they’re good and plump
    I feed bacon to my chipmunks…
    Still they dig up my garden.
    That food's for me!

    Nothing more natural
    so many running free...
    Squirrel’s for rednecks.
    chipmunks's the thinkin' mans prey.

    Veggie forum 47 doors down…

    With a name like
    Snodgrass, William de Witt:
    It’s got to be good…

    Why do they make boys out of meat?
    Whenever I sit down to eat
    They say, “Sit up. Don’t swing your feet.
    You’ll spill that milk. Now have some meat.”

    I say, “I’ve heard cupcakes taste good
    With marmalade; I’ll bet they would.”
    They say, “You know that’s much too sweet
    For growing boys. Here; take some meat.”

    I say, “Or some cream puffs with these
    Dill pickles – would you pass that please?”
    They say, “Just sit down in that seat
    And drop those cookies. Eat that meat!”

    I say, “Ice cream and nuts would do;
    But no candy- not till I’m through.
    They jump up; they all stamp their feet:
    NO!! NO!! You need your meat, Meat, MEAT!!!
     
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