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Discussion in 'Cacti Delecti' started by mitragyna, May 29, 2007.

  1. mitragyna

    mitragyna Member

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    Well later today SWIM is planning on taking a dive into the spiritual world with some powdered P. Torch. This will his first time with psychedelics so he wants to know what he should do to prepare for the trip and what to do during the trip, etc. SWIM plans on taking them alone in his house. Is 20g a good starter dose?
     
  2. mitragyna

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    As I was writing this, these 2 bigass ravens were walking around on the roof of SWIM's house.. SWIM thinks this may be a sign.. SWIM is pondering on whether to do it or not now.
     
  3. Sensei

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    Do it man, maybe they have come to escort you into the spirit world, or as messengers from the gods, or something.
     
  4. jbmac

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    20 grams is a nice mild dose - 30 grams might be better? But SWIM says he feels good on any amount - even 1 gram, but 10 grams or more for tripping the universal love around us.
     
  5. mitragyna

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    Well SWIM decided to go ahead with it yesterday. Didn't really trip, but he did get the feeling as if he was connected and "one" with nature. SWIM doesn't have a means of measuring how much he took, but he ingested 30 '00' capsules worth of it. SWIM read some Erowid experience reports saying some fit 20-25 grams into 30 capsules and others where 20-25 grams = 50 capsules? If he had to guess he would say he took about 10 grams because he had no visuals whatsoever. SWIM did pack the capsules pretty good too. Could someone enlighten me on how much SWIM should take next time to really trip. I don't know... maybe SWIM's stuff has a low mescaline content. No puking, though he told me he did spew a little bit of it out his ass. :p

    After the mild effects were gone, he had a killer headache. SWIM took 2 Advil which covered the aching alright, but it was still there somewhat. Is this normal? SWIM told me he didn't understand how the Indians coped with this, because he could still feel the headache when he woke up this morning.
     
  6. jbmac

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    Hmm, Headache, my SWIM buddy never got one of those. He told me he doubts a gram fits in a capsule - he guesses you had about 10 grams of powder, and the feeling of oneness with the universe and God are a trademark of cacti.
     
  7. Ancient One

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    Youll go virtually no place with 20 grams of powdered (dry) cactus. Up to a point of reason, effects get greater as you take more. You start kind of warm and happy. Then along comes perma-smile. Then perception changes and things look funny. Then passive hallucinations begin dimly. Then active and clear, etc. Its very smart to start small and work up. Consider an alcohol extraction to reduce the amount of capsules necessary. 50 or 60 grams would be a more typical psychedelic experience, but again, caution is wise, and body weight will always be a factor. Alkaloid content in cactus also varies widely by age, size, genetics, and environmental factors.

    This is a journey of discovery which starts long before you ever feel any effects. Educate yourself thoroughly and be patient.

    ps. if you get a headache, lay some sugar on yourself; apple pie, whipped cream, chocolate. Blood sugar normal. Headache vanishes...
     
  8. mitragyna

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    Thanks for the advice guys. Next time SWIM is going to double his dose to 60 capsules. I have heard there is a 3 day tolerance to hallucinogens.. does this pertain to cacti too? Information on how to go about doing an alcohol extraction would be much appreciated, because Erowid only has information on long, drawn out extractions using other chemicals besides alcohol. SWIM got very bloated for an hour after ingesting all those capsules.. he can only imagine how 60 would make him feel.
     
  9. branflakes

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    So 35g of San Pedro powder would not be enough?
     
  10. jbmac

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    SWIM finds cacti - in small doses anyway - has very little tolerance - eg 1-2 grams of dried a day most days gets the same uplifting wonderful connection to the universe and positive thinking every time - even 3 days in a row.
     
  11. Ancient One

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    Enough for what? To feel warm and happy and joyful and connected? Yes.

    To see buggies crawling out of the carpet? Um. No.

    Start small and safe. Build up slow. Finish your interest and move on to your next goal in life. Rock climbing is good...
     
  12. lifelovefun

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    20g Torch won't get you that far. Try 100g if you want to really experience the cactus. Remember to put it in capsules :)
     
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