Swami Prabhupada

Legitimate guru, totally sold out to God, and never wavered!

www.krishnaconsciousnessmovement.com

I'm happy to be his disciple.

 

Pity about the total mess into which ISKCON descended after he chose a bunch of criminals to succeeed him as guru.

 

why did he sell out to god?

 

He didn't choose them as his successors. Thats where people are wrong. Those criminals hijacked his movement and most likely poisened him to death. Look into "The Final Order" (where you will find he only made them ritviks) and then look into the fact that Prabhupada was poisened. Its a sad situation.

However, those of us faithful to his teachings have continued with the spirit of the original ISKCON! Visit the link I already provided.

 

Hare Krishna, Jagadanada.

I appreciate reading your good words on Srila Prabhupada...longtime follower here.

The poisoning issue: I'm well familiar with it, and have never been personally convinced that it's even near true. There will never be a conclusive answer...at this point we all need to move out of the past.

 

i love krishna, i want to merge into his body

 

That's the story put about by some - but it's not been proven.

If SP didn't nominate any sucessors as you claim, what were his plans for ISKCON after he died? Or didn't he make any plans?

Are you sure he didn't nominate the infamous eleven?

Maybe you think he did nominate them but intended them to be ritviks?

Either way, it shows very bad judgement.

 

Prabhupada is not infallible, just like the other ISKCONites as well. And as soon as Iskcon realizes this and put their faith in logic and reasoning as emphasized by Krishna on Vaada in the Bhagavad Gita , the better for them.
Vaada is a system of Vedic philosophy which deals with logic and reasoning.


Of the debaters and disputants , I am Vaada (logic and reasoning ).

---Krishna ( Bhagavad Gita )




The most formidable weapon against errors of every kind is reason.

---Thomas Paine




...to argue with a man who has renouced his reason is like giving medicine to the dead.

---Thomas Paine


Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.

---Thomas Paine

 

The 'gurus' from iskcon who were involved in the scandals were as 'logical' as anyone - they just used their logic for the wrong ends.

 

Well then, I would emphasize character and logic. Krishna and especially Rama , emphasizes character.

“The function of education is to teach one to think intensively and to think critically... Intelligence plus character – that is the goal of true education.” ​

— Martin Luther King Jr., American civil rights leader (1929-1968)

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The example of great and pure characters is the only thing that can produce fine ideas and noble deeds. ​

--- Albert Einstein

 

To answer your question, his plans were laid out in his July 9th letter as well as his last will and testament. Neither of which was followed as he wrote them.

 

Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.

--Thomas Paine

 

And the Ego often reasons that it knows best, when in fact it is ignorant.

 

Surely the point is to rise above reason to a higher intuitive knowing.

The supra-rational.

 

And was Krishna referring to egoistic people , when he said the following...

Of the disputants and debatants, I am Vaada ( logic and reasoning ).

 

That is correct, but as Vivekananda himself said, one ought to use reason too , to reach intuition and filter intuitions from the superstitions, failing which it can be very dangerous.

http://www.hipforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=222082

 

That may be so, but when one has the intuitive knowledge one can see with far greater clarity and directness than is the case when we rely on reason, which is not reality itself, but a mere abstraction.

I agree that no thinking person would accept blindly the superstitions which too often are pertrayed as 'factual' or 'literal' by the religious.

 

I know very well that intuition is superior to reason in accessing knowledge faster and better, and my above thread too talks about intuition mainly.

At the same time, reason and logic has also been emphasized by the masters, by both Krishna and Buddha and vedic philosophy and Vivekananda.

Both reason and intuition should supplement and balance each other , as taught by Vivekananda, and this is the ideal path. This will ensure that no superstitions arise as well, which can be potentially dangerous.

And I don't think reason arrives at abstractions. 2 + 2 =4 is the same in all societies and cultures. It is an objective truth that can be arrived at by reason.

Many of the intuitions of the spiritual masters have been confirmed by science as well.

The only difference being that the masters immediately accessed the truth , while scientists arrived at the truth through deliberation and reasoning, which took time and labour.

 

The truths arrived at are of a different order in the case of science and mysticism.
Mysticism can't hpoe to formulate laws governing for example elctricity. and prior to the scientific age, nothing was known about it.
Science can't show us directly the nature of being or reality.

Reason is incapable of apprehending the higher truths of exostence, it can only tell us limited information about particualr issues, but very little about 'meaning' 'purpose' etc. Or if it does suggest something along these lines, it is open to contradiction.
That's because every idea contains it's own opposite. Up only exists because there is also down.

 

Intuition too played a role in the truths arrived in science, and this has been confirmed by scientists themselves and mathematicians, especially einstein and ramanujan.

There is no logical way to the discovery of elemental laws. There is only the way of intuition, which is helped by a feeling for the order lying behind the appearance. --- albert einstein

The intellect has little to do on the road to discovery. There comes a leap in consciousness, call it intuition or what you will, and the solution comes to you and you don't know how or why. -- albert einstein




No problem can be solved from the same level of consciousness that created it.
~ Albert Einstein
20th century physicist, creator of the theory of relativity.

And what about 2 + 2 = 4 . Is there a contradiction for it !