Christianity and Sexual Repression

Should people follow their basic instincts ? We are not animals, we can sustain from sex. I personally at this time dont feel any need for sex and I dont have anything against celibacy...If you sustain from sex, its like a victory over the lowest instincts.

 

I consider myself a Christian but I do not go to Church.
To be honest I think the Christian Church needs to 'sex' up a little to fill the pews again.
This may cause some abhorrence to any Christians reading this but we are in the 21st Century & the reality is that fewer & fewer people are going to Church or even believing in any religion.
Maybe the sermon could be conducted by a female vicar in her bikini?.Maybe the person being baptised could be naked when ducking in the water.
You may laugh at this but really the Christian Church has an appalingly stuffy & staid image.Singing hymms in montone voices or happy clappy songs with folk guitar & tambourine is nerdy.
Get heavy metal & goth bands to play the hymms.
The Lord Jesus Christ was never anti-sex.He only preached 'fidelity' in marriage.

 

Sexual suppression is one of the best forms of control. Used along with fear, and you've got yourself the makings of the ULTIMATE Mind Control combination

This is why the sexual revolution was and still is so important. Although now it's more "underground" because of the extreme emergence of the conservative christian movement, there's still people waking up everyday, opening their minds, and freeing their hearts.

trying to keep us down is like trying to stop a whale from taking a giant shit one way or another, we're going to come out on top

 

well put lifelovefun!!

 

I never said sex was wrong or evil. I just dont feel any need for sex at the time...and maybe I do have a serious mental problem

 

Buddhism is just as sexually repressive as c/anity in many ways.

The anti-sex and anti life attitude of religions has done great harm to human societies over a long period of time.

It is part and parcel of any religion which says basically that this world is no good - whether that's seen as becasue of 'sin' or 'illusion' makes little practical difference.

As for xian sexual repression - I'd say it's led to a totally insane and neurotic attitude to life. It may well be that things like torture which the church has practiced in past times are distorted or twisted manifestations of the repressed sex drive. Energy which is left to stagnate tends to turn into negative energy. C/anity has created a huge pool of such negative energy.

In c/anity as in other religions, the body is seen as inferior to the 'soul' - although usually, this 'soul' is very ill defined. I 'd say that is probably the root cause of the anti-sex anti-body attitude.

 

I think it's actually a good thing.

 

Point taken regarding tantra - but even there, they can't accept just 'sex for fun' but have to turn into some kind of ritual thing. Also, as far as I know, tantrism is the exception rather then the rule, and it is only followers of the varma marg, the 'left had path' who use sex in a tantric context.

I wouldn't hazard an opinion about how tolerant Buddhists are in general.

The very fact that they have celibate moks though tends to make me think they do consider there is something wrong with sex. I guess they'd see it as another craving to be overcome.

 

Tantra also involves sex for fun aspect, which Osho ( someone whom you term as a lecher, which shows your double standards) also promotes. You have to have sex in a relaxed manner, with awareness, which is the most important thing, to make sex a meditation in itself.

There are indeed celibate monks, but these monks are better able to control their cravings through meditation ( which channelises sexual energy into spiritual energy) , proper vegetarian diet, and perfect mind control, which enables them to do some amazing feats .

 

Never had a shag when I was 'unaware' or not relaxed.

As for rajneesh - I don't claim as he did to be a guru, nor do I own a fleet of Rolls Royces whilst others can't even afford food.
Nor do I have the need to decieve myself into thinking sex is some kind of religious thing. It is just sex. No more or less 'spiritual' than anything else.

 

I presume shag to be masturbation. You indeed can have masturbation or have sex without awareness.

We have already discussed this, and pointed you his stance on this, and yet you still condemn him. Talk about double standards.

Any activity can become spiritual. It only needs some creativity. Ever heard of Zen.

 

You presume wrong dear. A shag = a fuck = penetrative intercourse.

I know people who were well screwed up by rajneesh back in the 70's. I think he was a phoney, and this isn't the place to discuss it anyway. Start a rajneesh thread over in hinduism if you want.

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Can torture be spiritual? Can child abuse?

Wake up and stop sprouting cliches you've read about.

 

AND I have also stated that sex too can be done with deep awareness and made into a meditation.

And I know many, many people who are contented and happy with his teachings and meditation techniques, and lead a joyful life.


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Spirituality is subjective, not objective.

Check out Krishnas teaching in this regard ...

"The wise man is he who is intensely active in the midst of intense peace, and intensely peaceful in the midst of intense action."

 

Worm! Once more you've totally failed to answer the question which was : 'can torture or child abuse be spiritual'?

I'd say the Krishna quote says absolutely nothing to answer that, yet you said 'anything can be spiritual'.

 

Well, I know of 16 year old guys making love to 14 year old girls. This will be termed as child abuse, but for them it was like heaven.

And as for the torture part, many robbers and murderers and other perverts , upon torture gave valuable intelligence , which later saved many lives. So you can't say torture is all evil after all.

I said whatever we do , can be done in a spiritual way. Is that too hard to understand.

Seeing our profiles, I think the readers are in a better position to judge who looks more like a worm. :H

 

Are you suggesting that no-one should ever control their natural sexual impulses?