Violent Protest May Soon Be The Only Way...

dooncune - If you're asking a question of someone in particular, you might wanna use a name, or quote them.

 

I think he was referring to the general topic.


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Dooncoon- I'm liking it so far...go on

 

What we need is critical mass. During the Russian revoultion they hit critical mass and when the state gave the order to fire at the protesters all the officers were killed by their troops and the troops joined in the revolution. Every gun Russia threw at the rebellion joined their countrymen in overthrowing their oppressor.

Of course like many revolutions (Even the American revolution), it was the post revolution that went wrong in Russia. Once your oppressor is gone, then what?

Back to the point when we have critical mass more options open up, like strikes and holding the means of production hostage. In the mean time we can still throw a wrench or two at the system, like growing food on abandon land.

 

Why not take schools full of children hostage?


Thats an example of ASDA (change that name, in the UK Asda is the name wal-Mart uses!) Nothing any government does can justify the murder of innocent civilians. Therefore violent protest is a bloody stupid idea.

 

Right but talk to the old folks that fought for labour rights in the 20's and 30's and they'll tell you stories of police firing into union lines.

If we ever become a real threat to the system we should at least discuss the idea of arming our selves for our protection, even if we arm our selves with non-lethal weapons like flash bangs and smoke grenades.

 

Can you get flashbangs etc in the US easily? If so thats mental, an explains why you consider violence an option.

In the UK parts of the animal rights movement have started violent prostests, they threaten families of scientists, assault people with baseball bats and generally ruin lives. That is the face of violent protest, not some bloodless hollywood movie, you are talking about killing and maining those who disagree with or oppose you.

 

flashbangs?


Do you mean guns?

 

flashbangs are a kind of grenades that blind people. "bang" like something that explodes and "flash" like intense light.

 

I said arming for protection. When Native Americans setup roadblocks they don't forget their guns since they know the police are racist and won't have a second thought of killing them all. The guns are to show the police if they want to try and kill them they'll have a fire fight on their hands.

This is real life and you have to remember the only reason why the police is so nice to us is we are currently of little threat (Native Americans are more of a threat). The second we get critical mass they will move from CS to frag gernades and from rubber bullets to live ammo. Don't belive me go talk to people that faced the police during labour protests in the 20's and 30's. When you back the US into a corner you better be prepared for the fact the US (like any nation state) will stop at nothing to protect it self (name one totally bloodless revolution).

Can we go all the way unarmed, sure Ghandi did but the British gunned many protestors in cold blood. So maybe it is just me but when we hit critical mass stuff like body armor and shields might be a good idea (bullets hurt)

 

I don't so much disagree with arming yourself for defense, as long as you don't go off the deep end and go offensive.

But seriously, we're never going to hit critical mass. Not unless some serious shit goes down like stripping of rights or a major depression. Right now everyone is too rich and fat and happy to care about anything, aside from some "concerned citizens" who have zero thoughts about revolutions and mass protests and think instead about who to vote for, what issue to support, who to donate to. Back in the 60's when there was a large counterculture movement going on, even then we couldn't get serious changes. Even with all those hippies, freaking weed is still illegal. How many of those hippies now are homeowners, suburbanites, even freaking political officials that don't support legalization?

I don't see any revolution in sight, and I think we're wasting our time discussing it.

 

The problem is not the numbers its solidarity. Eariler this year, I was on the street car going to work. A poor man and a Native American women (There is a urban Native American center along the line) yelled at each other that the other was the problem with society. The poor man said that Native Americans are fat cats living off old agreements with the goverment and their land should be put to good use. The Native American told the poor man to get a job and stop living high off welfare. I didn't have time to get involved my stop was coming up.

This is the problem, no solidarity. No understanding that we are in the same boat and stop blaming each other and start working together to do something.

 

Divide and conquer.