from those experienced with the shepherdess, I wish to learn how I can prepare a beginner dose with a potent (20x) extract. we will order salvia from iamshaman but my friend insists on ordering a 20x while I know that the shepherdess must not be taken lightly; so, how small a fraction of a 20x extract should be prepared for a beginner dose??? while my friend will probably take (despite my warnings, for I've read much about sally) an average dose of the 20x, I wish to take slow and steady steps into sallyland
Do you have a scale? I would say maybe .025 grams, which is one twentieth of the .5 gram average potency dose according to erowid. extracts tend to a little weaker than the X factor, because a little always gets left behind on the leaves they extracted. How intense of a salvia experience do you want?
hmm well, though I'm somewhat used to some other more common psychedelics, I do not think I wish to live a full force salvia experience for my first time. not too mild also. and sadly, no I do not have a scale.
sounds about right. a gram of 20x should be good for 20-30 solid doses. 1/40th gram should be enough to give you a first trip without going overboard.
Take a very small amount - about 25 to 50mg. If you put a little, flatish pile of it about the diameter of a dime you should have around 50mg. It's hard to get any more accurate than that, but less is better when just starting out. It is a big deal. It can be scary as hell if you take too much. My first 20x Salvia trip was the scariest thing in my life, and it pisses me off when people try to make a joke out of it. Two things you have to remember: 1) hold the flame to the herb as you inhale 2) hold the smoke for at least 20 seconds
-beatnik says .7 or so. to me this seems insane, thats over the normal dose for plain leaf. but it's your deal. just keep splitting your gram pile in half until you have 40-20 piles, depending upon your taste. you can always do a tiny amount, see what its like, and take more in like 5 minutes if you want to go deeper.
thanks for all the advices! I have waited (and researched) sooo long for this, i hope the shepherdess will find me worthy to open the door to her realm it seems like I will have the possibility to order my own salvia (6x st.) along with my friend's 20x so I won't touch the 20x for sure on my first time. though these advices will surely help for my friend(s). in the coming months I will also order a living plant in case the illegalization of this sacred plant should make it go rare and black market. I feel that this experience must outspread among the right people. as far as I've learned, yes, salvia divinorum is not something to just joke and mess around. proper respect must be shown. (tripoli, I feel from afar that you are a wise and kind soul, just wished to add this ) meditation (maybe zazen) beforehand will also be good I think. I will post a report
The most profound experience I have had with salvia was while meditating immediatly after smoking it. I was by a river where I sometimes meditate with my mind machine, (a brain wave altering thing), and I was doing a mantra meditation using the tibetan buddhism OM MANI PADME HUNG or however its spelled. Its the thing on the prayer wheels. So ya, I'd acvise meditation.
