Marijuana & Existence

Mati...

Pretty intense man. Lighten up...

Occam moved from the city.
So he could see trees.

Occam

 

First off, hell of a post man, great points, and a pretty cool metaphor.

I think it's interesting, the idea that we can get stoned on oxygen or CO2. I'll have to try that out some time, haha.

I agree with your metaphor, with psychadelics being like branches of the tree that give different perspective. But not all the branches would be drugs, right? Experiences with people could be, or with death, love, etc. Lots of things can cause a shift in perspective, some minorly some majorly (small and big branches).

I guess the point would be to climb to the top and behold the unobscured Truth (though in reality, it's not really possible to stand at the top of a tree: too weak. Well, no metaphor is perfect). So we have to learn how to move in the tree, first off. A powerful experience of perspective-shifting might be the push we need (getting high worked well enough for me, in conjunction with some other events). But it isn't the end. Like you said, you learn to move between branches. I'd add to that the fact that you have to learn which way is up. Branches like Cocaine or Hate end up either breaking off and falling, or simply hanging down in the dirt. Many people seem to be stuck on their branch, trying to, like we're trying to get to the top, get to the end of it but end up falling off when they get there. Learning which way is up is vital. Maybe drugs don't only give you new perspectives on the top of the tree (truth), but also let you see what's wrong with what you're doing (on your branch).

 

There are many ways to reach that place (state of mind)...Buddhas call it englightenment and use mediatation. science says meditation causes the brain to release alpha waves that change brain pattern output significantly and permanently changes it in dedicated meditators, this is said to have the result of making a person less prone to stress, depression, anxiety etc...basically a permanent change (for the better) in mindset!!

Ganja changes your state of mind too..Your saying it made you wake up to existentialism and really gave you meaning to live, which is great. Never had that effect on me, guess its different for everyone cuz everyones brain chemistry is different...Science also reckons that weed can alter serotonin levels drastically with prolonged use over many many years, which leads to depression in later life..still i wouldnt take this for gospel as im sure some people are more prone towards depression than others anyway!

I know which i'd choose to make myself think differently, but still I guess it doesnt matter as long as your happy in life

 

When you hear people talk about feeling Irie their refering to the feeling of detachtment
or overall acceptance. But most importantly the appreciation of their existense. Kind of maken this beautiful world even more beautiful. But this term by no means advocates the use of hallucinogens, thats just toying with reality or sleep waking through your waking state

 

ok, i have to qoute you and make an opinion.

I've been thinking like that too lately. That these drugs are nothing more than a new perspective on life, not some spiritual enlightenment. Just a way to look at things differently and enjoy a wide variety of different states of mind. some useful things to learn some flat out bullshit.

 

one day, kid, you'll grow up and stop smoking that shit and realise you could have had exactly the same revalation without it and in the bargain could have been employable
who the fuck dya think invented that philosophy of existentialism? a bunch of dope smoking hippies??????????? WA HA HA HA no it was people who had excellent minds and wouldnt corrupt the sensitivity of that finely balanced mnd with a product that is as blunt as a nuns munta

no - get off the shit and find life for real like sartre who you worship did

 

Well it's been 2 years since I first posted that. Which is hard to grasp. To say that I'm still in the same mindset would be wrong. I've changed. That I know, but looking back to where I was then, I was breaking free of everything. All those building blocks that were used to build my life when I was a child, I was taking down and starting to build my own. And Marijuana was MY (very own) catalyst for change. I still believe that smoking mariajuana made me look at the world differently, and that led me and introduced me to knew philosophies and told me that I wasn't alone in the way I thought and lived my life.

Sure, I could've realised all these things without the influence of marijuana
but when you grew up believing that everything your parents and "god" says is right, is "Right", you might need a lil' pot to open things up.

And by the way nice try on making me feel bad about my own life. But it'll take alot more than your tiny, miniscule, little opinion.

 

omg man i just read this whole thing and i must say that it is fucking Brilliant!! I can highly relate to this post and im sure many others can as well.

 

I think the whole idea of 'new perspectives' is a way of glorifying yourself for taking something that is basically all about recreation.

For most people, the whole 'spirituality' trip is mostly an ego trip in disguise-- like anyone who takes weed or acid or something suddenly knows what's important for everyone, thereby making them 'better' than others. Have you ever noticed how many hippies think they have all the answers and look down on anyone who doesn't agree with them?

Drugs ALWAYS make you think of yourself as holy, or spiritual, or enlightened, or blessed, or cool, or even just plain great. Or sometimes they make you feel safe, or young, or smart, or sexy. That's WHY people take them! But it's NOT REAL.

If you REALLY want to be a better person, you need to start acting like one. You need to discipline yourself and dedicate yourself to it. There's no easy way to do it.

 

hmm if someone takes weed or acid and suddenly knows whats better for others, than i would say that theyre an idiot, they are certainly not "better than others" because of the use of drugs. But I would say that they are smarter than others in a different sense. The sense of seeing more possibilities in the universe.
I would say that if youre using drugs to "brag" and tell people how cool you are than you are a true douche bag, and shouldve never done drugs in the first place.
But if you have taken a variety of psycotropics than i gurantee that you can understand Hikaru zero's post that just made so much sense to me its amazing. I suspect that heywood hasnt taken enough of psycedelics to truly understand it but i could very well be wrong. But if thats the case and you havent ever taken psycadelics, than i won't value your opinion on this on this topic as much. It is not because i think of myself as "better" but mabey smarter in a way. If however you are experienced with at least a few psycadelics, than i will respect your opinion on this and listen, but i still wont agree.
If you havent done any psycadelics, than i highly reccomend trying out salvia, and if that doesnt change your view on this than try lsd!! i gurantee you will see it from my side.

 

Yes, I've done LSD a couple of times and mushrooms and pot. And at the time, yes, it definitely felt like it had revolutionized my perspective, but WHERE exactly do these 'new perspectives' take you? What do they amount to besides a lot of pretty colors and mental masturbation???

If you really want to open your mind, I would suggest traveling.

 

well when i had my first break through on salvia, that was the most intense shit of my life it doesnt take "me" anywhere, but it takes my soul "state of consciousness" to places that are the most unimaginable. When i did the salvia i could feel my soul being ripped from my body and put into another existence. This was not very pleasant but damn it blew my mind thinking about possibilities that my consciousness can experience.
Then when i did LSD i felt my consciousness experience a new and more happy/beautiful trip that was very unique because i basically saw the most beautiful things imaginable. Of coarse any trip off of most psychedelics are pretty much impossible to explain. But the lsd definately made my world much more colorful and mysterious, and just really enlightened me.
So yeah lsd and salvia are the main spiritual psychedelics that ive done. I have done a fair amount of drugs but those two are really mind expanding. Ive never done dmt, mushrooms, or peyote but i will when i get the opportunity!
And i have traveled alot ive been outside the country only a few times though but ive been to like 20 different states.

 

Cannabis is the true sacrament. It was demonized by some pope along time ago when he decided to make alcohol the sacrament. In Hinduism it is the embodyment of Kali the consort of Shiva. Kali is shakti (energy) and Shiva is the Void, together they represent God. In their religon it is used by ascetics to experience samadhi, yoga, divine union. It can actually work because cannabis takes your awareness from the outside world to the inner (pratyahara).


P.S. Datura is the plant that is the embodyment of their god Shiva.

 

good advice

 

Yeah man! Herb was created to help us think (thankyou JAH) and help bring us towards enlightenment. (as it relates to you)

 

Enlightenment doesn't relate to you, it instead transcends you.

 

Cannabis has such strong roots in the Siva Yoga structure because becuase of how it effects the primary yogic modality of prana. It is to be used limitedly but will effect the Kundalini, the female source of prana, as She seeks Her source, Lord Siva. These are some very powerful consciousness modalities, and are not mythological or allegorical.
The best thing is to do the Yoga Sadhana with few drugs.

 

Interesting, if you don't mind I would be interested to hear more of your ideas. Peace

 

Very good! Yes, there's an especially special reason pot effects us in such a profound, unique way; our body is somewhat made for pot!

Same here. It's like that was a stepping stone. How can your mind travel so high and only be chemicals?

It gives a certain peace of mind, which is why medical marijuanna is excellent for the treatment of so many emotional issues, such as depression, anxiety, PTSD, ADD, ADHD, eating disorders, etc.

Cannabis is the key to a new, broader, wider, deeper and far more profound perspective and experience.
"use it as long as it serves you, then leave it behind for someone else to use."
My cousin-in-law says this, and leaves a roach everywhere he smokes.



Sorry for being such a necromancer, but this thread is awesome.

 

I have never done drugs. Weed or otherwise. But I found people statements on here to be interesting. Now I wanna try them. give my drugs now