Guncrazy USA

If you look at his sig yeah its a bit strange and does have a gun in it - still it could be how they portray him in the inevitable blockbuster movie that will be made -
Just like 9/11 capitalised on others misfortunes

 

The thing that surprised me about this guy was not whether he was a troll or not. I didn't spot the synonym until DP mentioned it, but I have been tired lately. It wasn't his grammar that surprised me either. After all, I don't think that Korean is the first language in Korea. And I don't think I've ever seen anyone in this forum who writes perfectly either, Korean or non.

I believe that everyone should be given a chance, and the thing that puzzled and saddened me, was that the Korean guy wasn't given one. He was treated with suspicion, and hostility.
Is that how the real murderer was treated by his own peers? Is that how he went over the edge?

No wonder he told us all to basically fuck off. I can't blame him, but I think I speak for many people who believe in peaceful solutions in saying:

Sorry. We didn't give you a second chance, but please give "us" a second chance. Come back and join in the debate for Protesting the sale of firearms in the USA.

 

that's what I should have said

 

His words were nt mispelled but rather lack of sentence structure to asimulate an accent with broken english. I spend alot of time with others from other countries on here and this is the first I have come across doing this while typing other than a failed attempt to use a slang word of ours in proper content. No matter what I care less about it other than the fact to assume all of the USA is "Guncrazy" There are many who dont desire to have a firearm.


Now as to the theory of a "pussy" not wanting to use hands instead of a gun well when you can draw your fists and beat down an armed man ready to fire, please video tape it so I can sell copies. I know in the darkness of my home I will not take the time to see what and or if weapons an intruder may or may not have. My family will come first, my dogs will come first, given a moment chance the intruder will be carried away with a sheet.

Call that harsh or wrong but that is to me just one less piece of trash for others to worry about. You want something in life, ask or work for it but dont endanger others to get it.

And thanks to this thread I was inspired to buy 2 more rifles to add to my collection.

1990 Glock 17 with factory internal guide rod lazer and 2 17 round mags and a 32 round mag.

Kimber .45

Colt 2nd generation peacemaker

Savage BBL .17HMR, .22mag, .22LR, all with accu-trigger

Savage Tactical .223 and .308

Springfield 03-A3 extremely customized 30.06

Polytech AK47

Russian SKS

CAR 15

L1A1

4 shotguns

and a few other toys that I feel I have to right to own and have fun with.

 

Thanks YankNBurn. Your post demostrates precisely why the civil people who live in the US should protest against the sale of firearms. I would like more people to come out of the closet, like YankNBurn, and tell us all what armoury they have at home.

 

oh I was gonna make a joke but fuck it

 

YankNBurn if yo ever wont to go into bizniss with the Hog jes giv as a holler. Yo only need a capl o rockit lonchers n you can open shop.

 

I have to laugh when Im called a Hillbilly. I was born in Seattle Washington and lived there until 1997 working as a program design engineer. I was very much into assorted firearms, target shooting, and collecting. In July 1997 I gave up living there with all the fast paced life and moved to a small town in Missouri. I took up driving truck since I really had not seen all that much of the US and wanted to do so before I died. Now I have met alot of real hillbillies and let me tell ya most cant afford anything but a good dependable 20 gauge shotgun and a .22lr. They dont need anything else either! My collection stems only from wants, I want the items I have and have the means to own them so I do. The types of items I collect have killed far far less people in the US than cars or booze so when we outlaw them I might give up my collection.


Do you know gun related deaths is not even in the top 10 causes of death in the US?? Pretty sad to worry about the bottom of the list but then again the bottom of the list might not affect some as much as booze and cars?

According to Data collected by McGinnis and Foege for the CDC gun related deaths are 4x less that that of alcohol related deaths, that car related deaths are 2x more than gun related deaths, that drug use relatedhas just under half the deaths of gun related deaths, sex related deaths are just 12% less than gun related deaths, and smoking well it holds 20 times the deaths of gun related deaths.

So get rid of the smoking, the cars and the booze !

Perhaps this thread title is correct, guncrazy US, yup there might be gun owners and then there are crazy people in the US

 

Now as to the theory of a "pussy" not wanting to use hands instead of a gun well when you can draw your fists and beat down an armed man ready to fire, please video tape it so I can sell copies. I know in the darkness of my home I will not take the time to see what and or if weapons an intruder may or may not have. My family will come first, my dogs will come first, given a moment chance the intruder will be carried away with a sheet.

Call that harsh or wrong but that is to me just one less piece of trash for others to worry about. You want something in life, ask or work for it but dont endanger others to get it.

And thanks to this thread I was inspired to buy 2 more rifles to add to my collection.

1990 Glock 17 with factory internal guide rod lazer and 2 17 round mags and a 32 round mag.

Kimber .45

Colt 2nd generation peacemaker

Savage BBL .17HMR, .22mag, .22LR, all with accu-trigger

Savage Tactical .223 and .308

Springfield 03-A3 extremely customized 30.06

Polytech AK47

Russian SKS

CAR 15

L1A1

4 shotguns

and a few other toys that I feel I have to right to own and have fun with.
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Wha-a-a-ll, It seems sometimes we can't always have what we want, and so it's best to be "alternatively" prepared. Cops already got all our guns. So what to do in emergency? We could simply go get more if we wanted to. Take about 2 hours to be armed again. But we're not so sure we WANT to. We instead worked out some alternative ideas. Using the unexpected to our advantage in a violent emergency. The unexpected can give you certain advantages. It's sort of like a "what to do in case of fire" scenario. But hey, if there was an active violent revolution or some such, we'd just pay a visit to our local good old boy militia and be armed to the teeth quickly, and fight beside them...

I know LOTS of folks with enormous gun collections. Maybe not such a good idea to advertise tho. Safer that way all the way around. I only hope if the shit hits fan that you will be handing them out to your neighbors, friends and family members to use, as one person can only use so many weapons all at once...

Oh yea, the pussy thing. Well, come on, but if some one with "issues" or otherwise wanted to kill, it's WAY TOO EASY to point and shoot. It doesn't have to take much skill or bravery, only idiocy, lunacy, and luck. If they only had their bare fists to work with, a little honest hands-on, maybe they would not be so likely to go on those killing rampages, 'cause it wouldn't be so friggin' easy, and it would get way too personal.

 

any examples of guns bans lowering gun crime?

any examples of gun bans being a precursor or happening hand in hand with a crackdown on civil liberties?

You want to debate the 2nd amendment? look up the reasons behind WHY it was put into the constitution.

Western civ has tried gun bans over and over, it has never been to the benefit of the people and it never will.

 

"Another source of power in government is a military force. But this, to be efficient, must be superior to any force that exists among the people, or which they can command; for otherwise this force would be annihilated, on the first exercise of acts of oppression. Before a standing army can rule, the people must be disarmed; as they are in almost every kingdom in Europe. The supreme power in America cannot enforce unjust laws by the sword; because the whole body of the people are armed, and constitute a force superior to any band of regular troops that can be, on any pretence, raised in the United States.[9]"

- Noah Webster

 

CONSIDER THIS...
In 1929 the Soviet Union established gun control.
- From 1929 to 1953, approximately 20 million
dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded
up and exterminated.

In 1911, Turkey established gun control.
- From 1915-1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to
defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Germany established gun control in 1938.
- From 1939 to 1945, 13 million Jews, gypsies,
homosexuals, the mentally ill, and others, who were
unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.

China established gun control in 1935.
- From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents,
unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.

Guatemala established gun control in 1964.
- From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan Indians, unable to
defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Uganda established gun control in 1970.
- From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to
defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.

Cambodia established gun control in 1956.
- From 1975 to 1977, one million "educated" people,
unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and
exterminated.

gun control has never saved anybody.

the right to defend yourself is (as the american constitution puts it) self-evident.

As an individual no one can claim the right to protect you from yourself or deny you the right to defend yourself from others.

It's your life, no one else's.

and when shit hit's the fan who are you going to look to for protection? the police? the army? why? maybe because they carry guns...

and what if the people you need protection from is the police or the army? it's happened countless times before, still happens all over today, and will most likely continue to happen into the near future...

makes more sense to find a way to take all guns away from the criminals and the government before you take them away from people who are only trying to protect themselves. you figure out a way to do that and i'll support gun control.

why do the police need weapons? to protect themselves and civilians from criminals.

Why do the armed forces need weapons? to protect the nation and it's citizens from internal and external threats.

now why are these not valid reasons for private citizens to own guns(not that a reason is needed for possession of anything, only for how you use that thing, at least that's how feel about innocent before proven guilty)?

Why do criminals and murders need weapons? in order to use superior force to get what they want for someone perceived to be (at least physically) inferior.

so what is your solution? let the army keep it's guns, let the national guard keep it's guns, let the police keep it's guns, good luck getting criminals(who by defenition dont give a shit about the law, and dont give me that bullshit about tougher penalties be a deterrence, it doesnt work for captial punishment and its not going to work with more gun laws) to give up their guns, but take them away from the very people who would give them up in order to live within your laws...

You're telling people to give you their guns because you cant be certain they will not use them to harm others, but if they were going to use them to harm others why would they volunteer to give them to you, the only people who would give them to you are the ones who have no intention of harming others, living them unarmed and the ones with intent to harm others still armed...

makes no fucking sense!

has prohibition worked with anything?

aren't junkies still shooting heroin? aren't potheads still smoking pot? dont teenage girls wearing promise rings still have sex? doesnt the worlds oldest profession still find plenty of clients?

if you think banning guns are going to stop people from killing each other with guns you are an idiot. or maybe you have that thing that helen keller suffered from, in which case you have my pity although i dont know how you are reading this...

And to those who say guns are different because they are only good for two things, namely maiming and killing.

No fucking duh.

until you can erase the technological knowledge that allows the creation of a metal ball flying out of a metal tube by using a flammable powder, guns are not going away any more than cars or television are going away.

so either mind wipe the planet or come up with technology that makes guns useless.

a completely defense oreinted weapon, one that can't harm others but is a deterrent against other's harming you.

maybe something like a force field that wraps around you when it senses a bullet headed your way, know how to do that? didnt think so...

for the last couple centuries and as of 2007 (ever since people realized that firearms are better than swords and arrows and then everybody gave up swords and arrows) the only deterrence against 1 person harming several others with a gun is for the others to possess guns as well, unless you can get that one hold out to give up his gun which he wont.

common sense

so, we'll be living with guns until something deadlier takes it's place or something that isn't deadlier but makes guns useless.

as long as that is the case why be the one nation without a nuke so to speak...

think about it, we invaded iraq(no nukes), as long as n.korea doesnt actually use their nuke we wont be invading them(cause they got nukes)...

it's not a coincedence.

if you believe that harming another will cause equal or greater harm to come to you you tend to think twice about causing the initial strike(unless you're on a suicide mission in which case you're planning on killing as many people as you can before they kill you, maybe they should be prepared for such a siituation by... oh... idunno.. being able to defend themselves against your actions)

think of it this way:

if you had an epidemic of people kicking legless individuals you are faced with 4 options.

1. you can try to convince as many people as possible that kicking legless individuals is bad and not to do it, which isnt a bad idea, but it's utopian and in the mean time people are still getting kicked)

2. you can punish the kickers more severly than you ever had previously, assuming you can catch the kickers responsible, can deter people from kicking out of rage or insanity, can get to them before they kick a legless person to death, and assuming that your "enforcers of the law" are not doing a good portion of the kicking themselves.

3. you take way everyone's legs who will volunteer to do so, which means of course more legless individuals and no one left to threaten the kickers(who are not going to give up their sole means of forcing the legless to do what they want) with a kick of their own, besides who are you to demand people give you their legs?

4. you give the legless their own legs, who's going to kick them when they can easily kick back? I dont know about you but i'd rather kick someone who cant kick back, especially if there's a bunch willing to kick me back.

 

Shane99X. You are an intelligent person. Your post shows that you care enough to research your posts. Since you are the type of person that is not forever trapped in the same mode of rigid thinking (much like DP as well) I can't help wondering how you will feel about guns in ten years time from now. I used to think very much like you, and I've changed dramatically over the years.

DP and a few other people mentioned some good ways of tackling the gun crime problem which perhaps, if everyone is willing, we could explore in more detail.

 

I dont see it as a gun crime problem.

I see it as a crime problem.

guns are just tools. you can always get another tool of the same type or a different tool that will perform the function you need it to or even(if you're determined enough) create a tool that will still get the job done(fertilizer, fuel oil, machetes, box cutters, homemade pipe bombs, molotov cocktails, steak knives... all of these things have functioned perfectly well for mass killing, one-to one killing, rape, hostage taking, suicide, robbery).

the problem is the crime not the tools used to commit it.

Guns just happen to be the most efficient tool, until we come up with one that does a better job. and just as you can't realistically get all of the hammers or screwdrivers, you'll never get all of the guns until guns become obsolete.

you want to hamper "gun-crime", make guns more easily accessable to law abiding adults, encourage gun ownership and proper gun training.

An Anarchist Case Against Gun Control

 

Ma solooshiun woold be to put up an electrik fence startin from Texas n workin its way all aroond the sun belt all the way up to where that leeberal Boosh lives. An that way wee wont have any cryme.

 

Shane its a little ridiculous to suggest that because the people never had guns in Russia they were rounded up and shot because the german army had guns and they were pushed all the way back to germany and shot. You are using an argument that is clearly the most inordinately laughable in the whole thread. What level of education did you attain? I shall refrain from twisting my moustach as I laugh unless you attained a degree at university. It seems od that you would use such argument and yet elsewhere also claim to be antidisestablishmentarianimosicubavaracarian and yet have a content like you do its plainly just silly

 

Boss no disrespect, but can you please not throw sand in people's eyes. You're probably not doing it with intent, maybe it's part of you, but seriously trust me, I am not having a go at you. If you look at this thread, it has been stretched to kingdom come, and it's very tiring passing to and fro the same commentary.

Credit to all those, especially DP who have the energy, wisdom and stamina to propel the debate for the benefit of those who need it.

One question to all those of you who seem so intent to carry guns. When I was a kid I remember having a plastic little gun that fired caps. At some stage in my childhood I am certain my parents dressed me up as a mini cowboy for some party. As I grew older my fascination was to buy a computer, not a gun. I must have had about 10 computers in my life, and yet not one single gun. I live in a city with 15 million population. Sometimes I visit LA. Sometimes Brussels. Sometimes Athens, Amstrerdam, Berlin. I have never had to carry a gun. And yet, here I am writing this post...

Clever replies only, please.

 

I think guns are dangerous. They make a person go from alive to dead with the slight pull of a finger, as opposed to a willful beating or stabbing. How many people have it in them to kill someone with a gun? All of us, if angry enough. Who here has it in them to beat someone to death with their hands, or even kill someone with a knife? Very few I'd imagine.

Guns make death impersonal.

However, I don't think the illegalizingguns will work in this country. I think it's too drastic of a step to take and will only cause further tension between the masses and the government. The shift to anti-gun should come from within our society, not be thrust upon it.

 

Thank you, Share The Warmth. That is exactly what I've been hinting at. Maybe some people misinterpreted me from the start just by seeing the words gun ban. If they realized what I meant we could have had a very sensible debate from the start. I hope now that we realize this that finally we can get something positive done.

 

"And the men who hold high places
Must be the ones who start
To mold a new reality
Closer to the heart"

I don't know if you're a Rush fan, but I love the lyrics to that song.

A change needs to come from those in power, to stop pushing war and violent solutions to problems in our faces. When I was a kid I grew up with GI Joe, He-Man, The Centurions. The 80's were full of militant pro-violence cartoons.

When I turn on the TV these days (not very often, believe me) to see what kids are watching I see a lot less guns and swords and mindless action, and more emphasis on comedy and characterization. Maybe just that is a step in the right direction.

Guns will go away or at least decline in numbers when we finally wake up and realize we don't need them.