Parents Convicted in Baby's Death

Wow, that's really horrendous.

 

Yeah Sam, you do have alot of beneficial programs in the UK that we don't have in the US. Yet so many Brits seem to spend an inordinate amount of time screaming about how bad people and things are in the US.

Must be sooooooooo great to live in the UK that people are bored...

 

Free health care is very limited here. When I first started living on my own I didn't make a lot of money and I got really sick. I only more 8.50 an hour and I didn't qualify for assistance. I had to pay off a $5000.00 medical bill. It was crazy until I paid that off I could barely afford to feed myself.

The health care system in the US is very lacking. We need to look at the UK, Canada and so many other countries that provide free health care to their citizens.

I am lucky enough now that I make better money and I can afford health insurance but that is also expensive. I pay $80 a month and that is considered cheep.

 

what a sad situation, perhaps even mroeso because tehy didnt mean to kill their child, they were just damn fools

i dont understand why a country wouldnt want to set up free basic healthcare, but at a minimum some procedures should be free to treat - ie births and broken bones. but thats just my opinion and im happy as all hell to live in the country i do

 

The government represents big business and the only thing its real constituency cares about is profits. There is no profit in setting up free health care- at least not from a "fast and easy buck" perspective. The almighty dollar has to be worshipped at all costs.

 

i've never once been turned away due to lack of insurance or money. basic laziness on the part of many people is what keeps them from getting health care.

 

Zoomie I am simply pointing out the difference between health care in the UK and the states, I have never moaned about how bad things are in the states, I don't know because I don't live there, but at the same time, I feel lucky to live in the UK, I hope that your statement is a sweeping one that doesn't include me
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By law they cant turn you away but they can make you pay.

 

Yup- they can ~and will~ bankrupt you too.

 

like me, kc? would you like to pm me and say that to my face?

you know what i have been through the past 2 years. please pm me and explain to me axactly how i have been lazy.

how dare you insult the thousands of hard working, tax-paying american citizens who are being abandoned by big business insureance.

 

You're not going to change minds this way.

I disagree with what KC said as well but realize that it is a reflection of what she has been through. I'm in a position where my work is incrementally pulling out of contributing to our health insurance... my take home pay will be going down while all my expenses are going up. Big Oil has been given free license to loot our economy and big insurance has been granted to license to garnish wages for the privilege of paying as little as possible if not outright denying claims.

I see your point and feel your frustration- we're caught in the middle- but there are some folks who are more able to access health care without being subject to a corporate mugging. They may not see things from our perspective and quite frankly, I hope they never have to understand it. It's not KC who is the enemy, it's big business and the propaganda machine that leads people to think that insurance has their interests at heart. Trust me, the only thing insurance companies along with any other big business cares about is the bottom line and they don't care who they have to crush on the way- as long as it doesn't make the news.

 

i'm just a little shocked to hear such judgement from a friend, that's all. i literally have teeth rotting out of my head because i can't pay for dental. it is painful and embarrassing and it makes me feel violated that i don't have a right to my own teeth without putting my family through even more extreme financial hardship than we've already been through.

HALF of ALL americans - middle-class workers, not just the immaginary "welfare mothers" people like to rail about - have NO healthcare and are not eligible for anything affordable. by "affordable" i don't mean "won't have to cut back on the lattes" i mean "won't have to choose between healthcare and rent". these are hard-working TAXPAYING individuals. if my tax dollars aren't going to allow me to keep my own teeth, then what the hell are they for? corporate subsidies to halliburton?

 

Your tax dollars as well as mine and KC's are helping fund an illegal war being waged in our name for the sake of installing a friendly puppet government in a country that holds the world's second largest oil reserves. Again, for the sake of Big Oil's private interests, so they can continue raking in tens of billions of dollars in profits- a windfall we have absolutely no stake in. We are getting ass-raped by our government and just about every big business that has been given access to our money.

 

My apologies but this thread has gotten WAY off topic and I'm largely at fault!

The parents of the dead child should still get the harshest punishment possible and the money squeeze being placed on all of us is no excuse for what they allowed to happen- seeing as they didn't even think to seek medical help until it was too late.

 

the government and its Big Oil pimps can drill for oil in my damn teeth, then, when they take care of my cavities.

as far as the dead child is concerned, as a parent and a vegetarian i am doubly shocked and offended. just for the record, folks, because it has to be said: feeding a 6 week old infant nothing but soymilk and apple juice has absolutely NOTHING to do with a vegan diet. even vegan babies should be breastfed, or if that isn't possible, given a qulaity forumla (non-dairy formulas ARE available, we used an organic soy forumla to supplement my lactose-intolerant preemie daughter's diet, after she had started solid foods. for my son, we even found a formula that was both dairy- and soy-free, since as an infant he experienced an intolerance for both).

i doubt these people are going to get any sympathy and support from the vegan community. regardless of what choices readers here make in their personal diets (i do NOT push vegetarianism on other people, and i'm not vegan myself, we're lacto-ovo) i just need to make it clear that this irresponsible deadly nonsense is NOT in anyway part of a vegan lifestyle.

*seethe seethe seethe* i think i'm having "anger issues" today.

 

Anger can potentially be a good thing if it's harnessed to inform or act on something that has morphed into the most immoral industrial-military complexes that is our United States government. Don't waste the energy on someone who simply disagrees because of a different perspective.

There is more but it's off topic and I'm unsure whether to start a new thread here of journal it...

 

my comment was extreme, and i apologize. i've never qualified for any sort of government assistance. but i've had scores of medical issues that have had to be dealt with. in every circumstance i was able to find charitable institutions that at LEAST subsidized my health care, and physicians who also were able to charge reduced rates for my care. i've had my entire pharmacy bills paid for by the pharmaceutical companies as well. it took LOADS of legwork. but my extreme comment didn't take into account that these programs are not available everywhere.

however, even the $900k medical bills wracked up by my sister's dead fiance (who ultimately died from his head injuries) were covered completely. they were uninsured and very very poor. there are SO MANY programs available, and if you can't pay for it, there are ways to work it out. my ex boyfriend's mother couldn't afford her husband's medical care either. so medical paid for it, and she made good money. they didn't take her house, they didn't take her property.

 

thank you for that acknowledgement. unfortunately, programs for medical assistance, charitable, corporate, or hospital-funded, aren't available everywhere. i have thousands of dollars of outstanding medical bills from emergency room visits (one of which was an injury my son endured in a nasty fall that might have been life-threatening) and those are from when we supposedly had insurance!

it's not legal to take someone's home when they file for bankruptcy anymore. and i do know people - working people - who did have to declare bankruptcy after exhausting all other options - including charitable organizations - for outstanding emergency medical bills.

 

we were nearly bankrupted from our outstanding bills thankfully they were within a workable balance. we've spent the last five years climbing out of that hole. we've paid off well over $30k of debt and still have the credit to prove it would have been better to declare bankruptcy.