Growing/First time

So, I'm fairly experienced with psycadelics (see my post over at the LSD forum for more info), and I was thinking of trying some shrooms. Since they are a good bit more common it seems here in Fl than Acid or something of the sort, it shouldn't be too hard to get ahold of. Honestly, though, I was seriously considering growing them. It seems like this is a pretty easy process, as long as you follow all of the sterilization tips. Is it really as easy as it seems? How hard is it -really- to keep them from getting contaminated? I live with a roommate that I wouldn't want to know I'm growing them, so I'd keep them in my room (probably in the vicinity of my patio door for the indirect sunlight).

Also, I REALLY enjoy acid, ayhuascua (the one time I tried it), and salvia. I probably enjoy acid the most. I'm a bit worried about the supposed emotional aspect of mushrooms though. Can anyone who has taken acid and shrooms both give me a little bit of a personal comparison on them? Thanks!

 

idk about acid man, im plannin on tryin it real soon, but shrooms could get crazy...
if ur experianced with acid u shouldnt worry much, i would start with like 2-2.5 g's for ur first experiance to see how u like it.. ppl cant really compare the two acid and shrooms, lol

some say shrooms has more of a body load others say acid does, some say acid is more natural some say shrooms are, some say acid is more visual some say shrooms are very visual but like more of a body high, ive also heard that acid is more of a clean psychadelic feeling, and shrooms are more of a dirty visual psychadelic feeling.

so far ive had one really bad shrooms experiance and one very good experiance...
if ur in the right setting and ur happy ull fuckin love it! LOL

PEACE AND HAVE FUN.

 

On acid you are alot more grounded than when your on shrooms, they both put you on the same level of "life", somewhat.

On shrooms (at times) its like your getting overwhelmed by emotion, it isnt too hard to handle or deal with but it isnt particularly easy to learn from becasue so much is running through your head at one single time. I think the reason you cant figure out whats happening/learn from it, is becasue all the thoughts are swirling around in a haze and not quite connecting, on acid they connect easier.

Shrooms and lsd are similar in some ways, BUT shrooms they feel alot more natural without the "urban edge" of acid. the naturalness i associate with the confusion and emotional drag becasue its really random.

both can make you laugh your ass off!
both can make you cry.
both can change your outlook and how you see some times (not just visually)
both open up the "doors" to your mind. (on the otherside of the acid door all thats there is a mirror, and behind the mushroom door its a broken mirror... everything is messed up...)

And when your on acid, its like your seeing your life, through your eyes, in a new light.
Shrooms dont do that as much, its more like.... "HAHAHhahAHAHAhahAH... ommggg" (in the sense that your "insane", quickly changing emotions, feelings, fear/worry, paranoia, almost never any anxiety)

In my opion I'd say that Acid is like seeing the world through your owns eyes in a new light, or having woken up and everything is "weiiiirrrd".....

And with Shrooms its like your seeing the world through a humans eyes who hasnt been exposed to society.

i tried my best to explain, if anything sounds fucked up ask, and I'll try to clarify it.
Casue its damn hard trying to explain how my mind experiences things.
and its dammmn hard to compare the two.

ENJOY

 

"And with Shrooms its like your seeing the world through a humans eyes who hasnt been exposed to society."

LOL thats sooo fuckin true man! on my bad trip with shrooms i felt like was sucha a stranger to this world, like i didnt belong, and that everything is going on and i cant catch up or kno exactly how to understand everything, it was sucha a mind fuck, i felt like the world had a parade and i was on the floor and everyone was just stomping on me LOL terrible feeling, physically and mentally.

 

Shrooms are hard to grow. Thats all there is to it. A lot of people look at some FAQ's and think 'Hey, I can grow these!' Doesn't always turn out that way.

The first time I tried to grow, it failed pretty miserably. After a couple weeks, I FINALLY got a tiny shroom starting to pop up. A few days later there were a couple more. The day after that, the shrooms had turned black and looked horrible- probably a result of the mycelium getting contaminated.

Sterilize everything. And dont go near your cakes without a particle mask to catch the germs you exhale, and sterilized gloves.

Keep in mind contamination isnt the only enemy either. There are a host of other problems that can occur if you arent extremely careful about everything, in every aspect of growing. Use the brown rice substrate method, it is by far the easiest, and likely the only one a beginner will have some sucess with.

If you're serious about growing- make an account over at the Shroomery. Everything you need to know on growing psilocybe mushrooms. I've grown a couple times, like I said, its really not that bad now. But, a lot of trial and error, a lot of mistakes, and a lot of time.

Best to order a few spore syringes of your favorite species- you'll likely mess up at least once. Good luck.

 

Thanks for the replies! I did some more reading on experiences, dosages, and growth methods. I'm feeling pretty happy/confident/excited about it now. I know without a doubt that if I go into it with that attitude it will very likely be great (at least in many ways). I think I can handle the jumbled mess and emotional aspects of it. I've had a REALLY bad trip off of morning glory, and after that I think I could probably handle a bad shroom trip if it went wrong. I know morning glory supposedly isn't as strong as acid or shrooms, but trust me, the trips I've had were that and MUCH more. Besides, on ayhuasca everything was pretty random and I enjoyed it quite a bit.

I'm gonna order 4 syringes from this site I think. I'm considering either B+ or something Thailand varieties I was reading are pretty good and closer to an acid trip than other kinds (though I know this is probably highly subjective).

I think if I try to make 10 or so jars, I should get at least a couple right. If not, I'll still have plenty left over to keep trying.

I have a couple of ideas for my first shroom trip later this summer (since it supposedly takes a couple of months for the shrooms to grow). I'm considering my apartment when my roommate is out of town, my own room if I want to try with my roommate still in, this secluded outdoors area with the biggest tree in town, a few more secluded outdoors places, or maybe even the beach back at my friend's place. Any suggestions? Also, does anyone have opinions on whether softer, harder, complicated, simple, etc. music is better? Just wondering. I'm thinking some soft but somewhat involved music would be good.

 

do it with your friend at his house by the beach, and listen to your favourite music

 

thats some fucking amazing shit you just wrote. iv done acid but not shrooms. this is the most detailed comparison iv ever read. id love to ask more detailed questions, but i know in my brain, i just have to try it at this point to learn what its like.

 

ask away.... if u care enough...

DO IT AT TEH BEEEEAAACCH

 

Hey man, you might want to check this out: http://www.amazing-nature.com/info/3200.htm

Its a mushroom grow-box that comes pre-innoculated with Stropharia cubensis spores, and the mycelium already growing. This cuts down MAJOR time and work on the growing process. Spores are legal in the U.S. but there is a chance customs could find it and take your growbox. But yeah, I've been wanting to try this growbox for a while, you should check it out if you want serious yield, and fast. 250-300 grams... not bad.

Keep us posted.

 

It looks interesting, but it seems like it would also be a little more susceptible to contamination and (like you mentioned) confiscation and possibly consequences thereof. I already bought some spores (for research, of course ), and the materials, so I'm gonna go with that. I have a webcam, so I might be making a log. I'll be trying out B+ to start with!

 

Good deal.

You can make a SHITLOAD of jars if you got a couple syringes. One is enough for 8-10 cakes I believe.

 

*nod* I was gonna go with 4 since they have a special for that, but I decided just to get one for now since I'm kind of strapped for cash. I get another paycheck in about 2 weeks, though, so if the growing is going well I might consider some more. I hear some Thailand varieties can be interesting

EDIT: I'm planning on using 1cc per jar from a 10cc syringe, so hopefully I'll be attempting 10 jars. I'm hoping to get at least half of them (5 jars) to cultivate without contamination. We'll see how it goes.

 

Well, I'm gonna go ahead and start my log. Here's pic #1 showing most of the materials. Sorry for the quality

 

i can definitly help with the growing questions if you have any. just let me know what your doing.

 

just be sure to case, case, case! not necessary but gives you alot more to work with.

 

Will do! I have a pretty good idea of what to do, but I'm sure questions will come up during the process. Nothing is ever as simple as it at first seems, especially with psychedelics.

EDIT: Actually, looking at the casing method, I do have a few questions. This method seems to be pretty drastically different than the standard TEK method (namely, where you simply put 3-4 finished cakes on top of moistened perlite). Is casing really better for yields? If so, why wouldn't the TEK simply recommend doing this instead of placing the cakes on top of perlite? Are there any more dangers inherent in casing as opposed to the standard TEK method?

Also, I noticed there were a few differences in upkeep during this stage, as well. This casing guide I'm reading says to place the casing layers (manure + vermiculite, mycelium, manure) in a closet or under a bed or something and leave it there for 7-10 days. It claims that light is not needed during this time. If this is the case, why is light needed in the standard TEK method during this time? Why should this be any different? The same goes for airing it out. This casing guide says not to worry about airing it out for the first 7-10 days, but the TEK methods say to air it out 2-3 times a day from the day you take the cake out of the jars.

Any help would be great

 

it's been years since i've done this, so sorry if my memory is slightly off.

we used glass baking dishes and lined the bottom with more fresh substrate, and topped them with slices of the cakes. you slice them into wheels and lay them flat. one cake can cover a whole pan usually. more substrate on top, and leave it in :yes: the dark for about a week until you can see the mycellium just barely growing up onto the top. then we cold shocked it in the fridge overnight and began the fruiting process the next morning.

yes the yields are higher, there is more surface area to grow from. there is a heightened chance of contamination, being that you must slice up your cakes, only to cultivate them further. just take your time it's really not too hard.

 

Yeah, I did some more research on it. It seems like the way to go to me. Plus, it's possible to remove the contamination before it spreads. I'll probably try and make most of my jars from the get-go, that way I can make several cases...hopefully at least one of them would work out.

 

don't try to case a cake that is already contaminated. i was talking about the possibility of allowing in contaminates when you take them out of the jars and slice them, which would grow a nasty casing.