Any regrets?!

i think i've had unpleasant mental states due to overuse of psychedelics in the past. not so much anymore, but in the past i was pretty burned out at a certain point.

i think i've kept my head a lot more level than most people i know who have tripped as much, though.

i think psychedelics can be a powerful tool for personal mental and spiritual exploration. i think they can offer benefits when used properly, but that using them for fun has affected me poorly. i still like to trip once or twice a year, but thats about it.

i think most people should stay away from psychedelics and that they can potentially do more harm than good in the long run. i believe in the teachings of timothy leary to an extent, but would add that to promote the use of psychedelics by the masses is irresposnible and even dangerous.

i love psychedelics, but at the same time loathe -much- of the psychedelic subculture.

i regret abusing psychedelics in the past, i don't regret using them, though.

 

I have more faith in my personal psychedelic experiences than any religion or spiritual text i have encountered.

Definitely no regrets. I've been down the rabbit hole, you know?

 

in my experience, most psychedelic experiences i've had have had little positive or negative impact on my psyche....except for when i tripped too often it would add to my mental disarray, clutter and noise....

the significant experiences i've had have almost never offered me any answers on spiritual matters, and have rarely done anything to directly further my spiritual development. its usually far more an exploration of my psyche.

when psychedelics do offer spiritual aspects, they almost NEVER offer answers - just questions.

many people say "i've learned so much from psychedelics" without having anything they can point to and say "thats what i learned"

people generally look to religions to provide answers to questions they don't know they have. psychedelics seem to work the other way round and provide questions to answers you have but aren't aware of.


what have psychedelics taught me? that i don't know anything, that i'm full of shit, and that there is more to creation than i can understand or ever will understand. it's shown me the void, shown me the beauty of nonexistance, shown me the absence of earth, heaven, and hell. it has shown me to believe in none of these, not even Void.

instead ive learned i must live a moment at a time, i have no where to go and am in no hurry to get there. i have no way to know whats beyond the veil of normal living existance, and will not unless i get there at some point. for now i must deal with the world as i interpret it. it's shown me that sobriety is pretty wierd, too, and you don't need drugs to teach you anything or mold you into something different.


but as for what the psychedelic experience has TAUGHT me? great mystical concepts or revelations? psychedelics are a tool to conduct research to develop theories and ideas, they don't just GIVE you anything at all.

to say psychedelics have taught me something would be similar to claiming i've been tutored by a magnifying glass. a magnifying glass can be a tool to help you learn, if properly directed. if misused, though, it can burn you severely.


i've heard it said that the buddha warned people to not mistake a finger pointing to the sky for the moon, and not to mistake a boat for the shore. this is sound advice....psychedelic exploration is merely a means, the experience is not the important part - its learning whats in you AFTER the experience that can potentially benefit us.

tripping for pleasure is unsound and offers nothing but the most fleeting benefits (i learned this the hard way)

if you cannot handle a strong psychedelic experience without freaking out, its not for you and you are highly unlikely to benefit at all from it. ever.

i dont recommend psychedelic use to anyone except the strongminded, intelligent, and hermetic. it can make you lose track of yourself and your mind, or it can delude you into thinking that you know something you don't. when i hear people say they've learned a lot from psychedelics, i rarely believe them because i think its untrue in most cases.


so i've shared what little i've learned. its not much, but its enough to found a slightly new life perspective. though i think that i took well to tripping becuase its not that different from how i felt prior to engaging in psychedelics. the greatest and most complete experience of ego death i've ever encountered was long before i smoked pot, let alone took mushrooms or acid.

in addition to learning a few basic things, i've also had some experience of a more mystical nature, particularly with salvia divinorum. i've been taken behind the scenes, born witness to angels and gods, taken part in a healing and watched a metaphoric explanation of how spiritual beings interact unseen with human beings on a daily basis.

what do i believe and what do i not? i don't know. as i've stated, the biggest thing i've been taught is to not take myself or my senses particularly seriously, that i don't know what i know, in fact i may not know anything. i've been taught to live in this world and act in this world, and to strive to be a good person...for the betterment of the creatures i encounter on a daily basis, for the betterment of the world, and for the betterment of my person.

now....for all you learyites of ken kesey wannabes....for all the disciples of the great diethylamide, the blue mushroom, and the divine sage....for the chemical gods and goddesses unnumbered.....

what have you learned? be honest with yourself and your peers...if you've learned nothing admit it. if you've learned something, please share.

 

That was an interesting read Nesta. I'm very fukt up at the moment and that shit got deep while I was reading it.

 

I cant speak for acid for sadly ive never had good acid.But as far as rolling goes I can tell u that it opened my mind to the fact i was in love with my best friend.We had been friends for years but i could never see him in that light.Well the first time we rolled together i started to see him in a completely diffrent way and understood the fact that i had been in love with him for ever.I started to grasp the fact that i was so afraid of ruining our friendship that i wouldnt allow myself to have those kind of feelings for him.We just celebrated our 4 year anniversary and i have never been happier.Also one of my good guy friends discovered he was gay....well finally admitted it to himself while he was on e.

 

I've only been experiencing psychedelics (Acid and shrooms basically) for this current year of my life. And I started smoking weed when I was 16. I'm glad it wasn't when I was younger (Like I've seen a lot of people starting in middle school and stuff, though I'm not denouncing those people) because my mind had a chance to mentally develop its bearings before I opened its doors (Though a few years later would of probably of been even better). And I'm happy I've most always stuck to keeping my drug usage on a moderate level because I am a firm believer in the "Ying & Yang" of drug using, which is basically There can be no High without Sober, and no Sober without High.

Now my experiences with Psychedelics have greatly changed my views and feelings of everything, especially with LSD. I do enjoy my new perspectives and feelings I have gained from LSD a lot and I do not regret taking it. It's funny cause I have a theory that one can take a psychedelic like Magic Mushrooms, and still have a relatively same connection with their mindset they had when they were sober before. But I think that once you take LSD, it totally changes your mind. Now I'm not saying it makes you insane or something or that you can never get a grasp on reality. It's just that some things you experience, feel, and think, on LSD keep a firm grasp on your mind even way after your trip. I believe I could never take LSD again in my life, but I would still have that in my head, and though it may drift more it to the back of my head, where it is less noticeable, it's still there. Also I believe that each new LSD experience is just kind of like a recharge for that perception that entered your brain on your first experience, often adding new feelings and perspectives. But this is dangerous because that is where you can get to where you lose that total connection with the two sides of your mind. The "Ying and Yang" of drug using as I explained. There is no longer a Sober and a High, but just one infinite path of one kind of mindset that i believe does not lead to any sort of learning.

Also, when I say "High", I don't only mean the drug high, It could also be things like meditation and what not. Cause I also believe that the Psychedelic experience is something of a "Forced Meditation" in that people who meditate over very long periods of time may eventually reach the same mindset as one who takes a psychedelic such as LSD. Or at least they both may share the same desire of what to gain.

Anyway, of course I too wonder what I would be like if I never took psychedelics, if I never even smoked weed. Because even if I immensely enjoy my sober state of mind now. It is completely different from what it would be if I weren’t "experienced". But either way, what's done is done and I have no regrets.

 

I regret not yet having a signifigant one...

 

I never regret any psychedelic experience or even anything involving drugs that have gotten me arrested. All of the bad experiences a person has, whatever they happen to be, help to mold and shape the person you will eventually grow into. Even bad trips can be beneficial, sometimes even more beneficial than good trips, as sometimes you can gain emmense knowledge from intense fear and panic.

 

I've always had a nihilistic outlook, and LSD and other hallucinogenics only compacted that. that reality and perception are infinitely complex, that I can only ever know what goes on inside my head, and I have no way of knowing if there's anything outside of my mind's scope. or if anything is there at all.

 

Hmmmm..........this sounds EXACYLY like what happened to me! How strange...

 

Sort of similar thing happened to me. I saw the moon turn into something that looked alot like the sun but it was much more surreal and was a slightly different color.

 

Crazy!
btw, the reason I said that to Relayer, is because, I am Relayer lol I was just messing, with myself, as sad as that is.

 

Yea, I have regrets. Like the day I took my dad's rock collection to school and lost it. I'll always regret that.

 

the 30 hits of liquid I would rethink.......

 

Really? How didffernt would life be now for you, rummanian?

 

hahaha

 

i only really regret trying salvia multiple times even though ive always been terrifed by what parts of my mind it lets me see into and i think the last few times its been hard to shut the doors of those parts of my mind, i dont really regret my exploration with salvia its just im not quite the same anymore, not that its a bad thing its just scary that my mind can get that warped and frightning. when ive done other psychedelics its almost always been a positive experience.

 

Never. I must agree with soaringeagle's post. How you can regret something that made you love life and showed you how to effortlessly live it. There are plenty of the other ways to reach that point for me it was lsd and drugs.
Other drugs had their influence at the begining of my journey but nowdays not anymore. Weed is cool, mushrooms very light, MDMA does nothing much for me not even giving me excitment like it used to, but all of them are very good in the combination with lsd. Khat (cat) is very good but only after few days on it and not sleeping of course. It's a very good sharing drug.
But thay are all good for a start and I never regret any of the experiences i had.
Haven't try salvia and dmt yet maybe my opinion will change. But right now I don't think so.

 

Im trying to find some khat - somehow.

Suggestions? do you think herbal shops or watever would know? or just my local drug dealer..

 

Oh man, I'm trying to move to Australia. Don't tell me there is no cat there. What we are getting here is synthetic cat and you can find it anywhere in South Africa from the dealers or friend that knows friend as it usually gets. Chewing leaves I never tried and I watched about it on tv, its much weaker. Health shop doesn't have it for sure as it is made from Ephedrine so try your local dealer.
Or maybe we can post it to you