Euthanasia

Discussion in 'Protest' started by MaximusXXX, Apr 29, 2007.

  1. MaximusXXX

    MaximusXXX Senior Member

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    Basic.

    I believe that in a country ( Canada ) where Abortion is unrestricted and paid for ( for the first three, discluding the province of Nova Scotia ) to not have Euthanasia is grossly hypocritical.

    It's basically clean suicide, and the killing of those who want to be killed but can't do it themselves.

    There's just two sides to this, yes or no.
     
  2. lace_and_feet

    lace_and_feet Super Member

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    For. I agree, it is very basic--people should have the right to end their lives when they choose.
     
  3. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    A person has the right to end their own life, they always have and they always will. No one can totally prevent an act of suicide.

    Euthanasia is totally different it requires the interaction of another person. If legalized it will make more facile the legislation of when life is deemed socially unnecessary. Already hospitals resort to the use of narcotics in order to shorten the hospital stay and expediate demise. Patients and families are told their use is to make the patient comfortable...but morphine depresses bodily function and hastens death. Euthanasia is already practiced by the big business that is hospital and medical care. And they do it under the cover of patients rights. Many times arguing the benefits of DNR to patient and family. Do you all realize DNR means to hospitals and medical providers no hydration, no nourishment? It doesn't just refer to resussitation.

    I am not god, and would not wish to see my family or loved ones die through dehydration or starvation. And I would not pretend to have the wisdom to know when to end another's life.
     
  4. Breakxeggs

    Breakxeggs Member

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    You know why Hospitals try to get people out asap? Its costs ALOT of money to keep someone in a hospital and they're trying to keep ppl moving through so they don't get over whelmed.
     
  5. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Exactly! For once I agree with you. But consider their motives. Are they considering the person or the beds and profit margin of their facility?
     
  6. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Do we snuff lives based on profit margin. I don't.
     
  7. Breakxeggs

    Breakxeggs Member

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    Hospitals do what they need to get by, which is not a good thing. They're doing it most of the time for profit or to cut cost corners. which is exactly why I support a state funded system much like Canada has. I'd be more then willing to pay a higher tax rate for free health care.

    I heard from one of my good canadian buddies that there is a waiting period invovled though.
     
  8. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    You've never stated where you are on euthanasia?
     
  9. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    No such thing as a clean suicide. I know my brother committed suicide by wiring himself to a 220 outlet after two other failed attempts, and I sat with both my parents as they died. The best you can do is support those you love and be there when they pass. You can't pick the time, or minimize the damage. Life if what it is.
     
  10. MaximusXXX

    MaximusXXX Senior Member

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    I know several people who commited suicide and people who had relatives or friends who commited suicide.

    One person in perticulair I knew who was a genius ( former professor of Physics ), got testiculair cancer at 53, both his daughters were married, established their lives, both had children of their own, his wife died 2 years before, he told me once that people set goals for themselves, that's why they continue to live.

    He ended up commiting suicide in his car as his garage filled with carbon monoxide.


    He was an example to me of how people can reach a point or find themselves in a situation where living is no longer a priority.
     
  11. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Did he ask anyone else to help him? My brother wasn't a genius, he was just a man who had reached the end of his road. He didn't involve the rest of his family or friends in a murder, he sought his own end by himself.
     
  12. Breakxeggs

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    I support the choice of it. You've stated several times that people are free to choose what they want Gardener. I believe it should souly be up to the person if they want to die or when they want to die. And I also think that assisted suicide its a much better way to go rather than putting a gun to your head, or poisoning yourself or anything like that.

    Now I do not believe that it should be readily avalible to everyone, I think there should be 'qualifications' for it. Sorry if I sound like a brute by saying that, but I believe it should be allowed to people with terminal illnesses or disabilities. Not allowed to people whos significant other just broke up them. Doctors should be allowed to hook the people up, but the person should have to flip the switch/push the button.
     
  13. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    No one should have to assist you if you have made the decision. That's asking too much. I don't diminish the lives of those that committ suicide. But do not ask me to assist in that course of action.

    I will sit with the dying and see them through the transition, but don't ask me to act as god. I am not god and I will never place myself in that position.
     
  14. Breakxeggs

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    I didn't say I would either. I think ultimatly it should always be the person that does the final act. But they wish suicide I think that a Doctor should be allowed to at least aid them in their decision but never do it for them.

    I would rather sit and watch someone die by natural causes knowing that I couldn't do anything about it than to watch someone kill theirself knowing full well I could stop it.
     
  15. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    That's the problem with euthanasia who can say how long some will live or what quality of life they may have. It's only an educated guess many times by the medical profession.
     
  16. Breakxeggs

    Breakxeggs Member

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    Yeah, thats exactly why I don't trust the medical guys much.
     
  17. WhisperingWoods

    WhisperingWoods too far gone

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    The only problem with assisted suicide being illegal is that we end up with more and more people blowing their teeth through the backs of their skulls.
     
  18. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    I don't think you have ever been closely involved in a suicide or even a death. Glib remarks like these make great marketing but they never really address the real problem. That we should all be more interrelated and willing to be there for another when they need personal contact with someone. If you can't bring yourself to sit with a friend or relative as they die, can you help them die in another way, or is it that you want extermination legalized so you can hire someone else to do it for you and end things according to your busy schedule without messing up your life.
     
  19. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    With the legalization of euthansia will come the mind set that lives have limited value and deadlines and things comparable to insurance company profitability tables and measures will be common. It already works that way in hospitals. Anyone over 65 in a hospital setting is beset on entry with workers getting them to sign a DNR. The bed police set in on day three...either they are well or they are transferred. No one wants the death on their records or statistics.
     
  20. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Perhaps we'll see the invention of death homes, instead of rest homes. Places we take those we no long value to pass over. This could very well be a profitable model for some enterprising young republican. Just like many drop their old pets off at the vet to be disposed of.
     
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