Guncrazy USA

It's because the media is sensationalizing the VT shoting and it's getting all the weirdos to mimic what happened. Perhaps if the media didn't glorify this shit it wouldn't have happened.

 

Maybe you're right. Then again, if it didn't happen in the first place, then it certainly wouldn't happen.

 

Gandhi was struggling for liberation from the British Empire, a struggle that depended on violence as much as non-violence. What are you struggling to liberate yourself from?

 

This wasnt his only concern.

Gandhi was a man of peace...He didnt simply want freedom from British rule, and peace in India alone. He wanted peace throughout the world.

People always seem to think that Gandhi only cared about getting the British out of India. This isnt true at all.

 

And needless to say that if peace can be brought without firearms, so much the better. I don't think people are as stupid as they are sometimes made out to be. We're all fed propaganda to a certain degree, no matter where we live. I think that the majority of the people would rather live in a world where no one has to be scared and think that they have to rely on a gun to protect themself. I believe that people can achieve this, but the people have to start thinking what's truly best for them, and perhaps the US Government has to take the initiative in this matter, from what I have seen and heard, but showing the American public that they are there to serve "them" and not just the companies. If not then the consequencies of our inactions will prove catastrophic in the long run, because the whole world is going through some drastic changes, unless you haven't noticed. We will have work together, as a planet, not just a nation, and we can't do that if we have to keep looking over our shoulder all the time.

 

that is irrelevant to the quote he said.

you are jsut using that as an excuse to dismiss the very valid point that he made

 

I don't think a fair comparison can be made using the present administration as opposed to earlier ones as these pricks are attempting a coup.A comparison ,that is ,about how this society has been irrevocably changed and cheapened since I was a youngin' may be in order ,to begin to understand this gun deal.The other old ones in here will know what I'm talking about.Nobody wants to hear how I walked miles thru the snow to get to school.(I didn't anyway).What I know is,is that when I was young,there was no tv,no computers,no go carts,no electronics,ect,ect,ect,on and on-- and only radio and newspapers.There were 3 tv channels when we did get it and the news was reported by honorable men who actually reported news.Information people get now is cheap sensationalism.(I'm talking ,of course,about here)It was a prudish society on the surface,but young and old still had sex,drank and some did drugs.The movies were not full of gore and blood and guts that the children now see day after day.Anybody see Psycho?Nothing but a little blood hitting the tub. People become immersed and inured to horrible crap --the video games are a good example.And what is it all doing to this society?We never locked our doors in the 50s or 60s and never had a thing taken.I and ALL my little cohorts could run freely all day at 6 or seven years old,with no one fretting about us--that we would be kidnapped ,killed or even beaten up.And mostly,when people fought each other ,as boys are wont to do,it was Marquis of Queensbury rules(unspoken though they were.)I don't remember any one calling for gun control in those days.Because it didn't seem necessary and wasn't.It seemed that politeness,courtesy,and wholesome fun was more the order of the day.(never mind Capone,Dillinger,et al--the hard core crooks have always had and used guns for their nefarious deeds.)What I'm getting at,is that our society has gone off the deep end with things that vitiate and warp the human mind so that the situations I mentioned have become commonplace and are especially harmfull to young impressionable minds.Killings were never publicised like they are now.You rarely heard anything about humans flipping ,as happens now.So,this probably sounds like I would like things to be like they were--not at all.I took what I took in the 60s and 70s and I'm the better for it.And I truly respect and admire you youngins' in here--you're much more open and honest than past generations.So all and all,this is my perspective on why these things happen.It didn't happen over night --it's just --here we are.If all guns could be relegated to firing ranges ,it would suit me just fine.HOWEVER--until I see some progress manifested in the human race towards peace,prosperity,justice for all------I think I''ll keep my powder dry.

 

Thank you!!
What do you think about a national day of student strike to devise a plan to create a gun-free America?

 

Well,if anything is going to get done in this country,it will have to be the young that'll do it.Our time is about over--we tried and got a war ended and a crook and his henchmen out of the white house.Most of us had to move on what with kids and all.---------I'm going off to work this fine Saturday morning,but even tho I mostly speak in generalities,and some like to see numbers and stats,Im going to try to explain how and why the violence has escalated to present levels by simple comparison of the differance from ,say, the 50s and now, relative to jobs,rents,housing costs,ect---all of course not official,but from my own perspective.It will relate to the topic at hand---------guns and violence.-----later-------

 

Here, here!!!

 

scratcho, although I don't think we see eye to eye on this topic, I read your post#218 and I'm going to be a little bit off-topic here and invite you to visit the writers forum and write a story. I think that we are like chalk and cheese, but there is a smooth quality to your writing and you put things in a way that put me in the picture.

I still think that we could all do with a little bit less guns on the street, but I'll respect the fact that I am not familiar with everyone's circumstances, and that America built itself on the premise of liberty, and that is a thing worth fighting for.

A big warm welcome to icorder BTW, this is a tough debate here, and even though we've slapped each other a bit, I still think that we're cool. Don't be discouraged icorder. You're sitting on a democracy, and the Hipforums is as good example as you're gonna get on the internet. So say your piece, brother. What do you propose to those concerned? Supply more details. This is the Protest Forum and you might be doing the mighty fine thing that was here intended.

 

I am pro-gun control. Real men use axes anyway.

 

In all seriousness (and I don't say that very often)...

This will be an evolutionary process. We are still a young country, and people in the US can only deal with change very slowly. It took decades for some to get over slavery and we're still not past racism. I freely admit that compared to much of the rest of the world we are fairly barbaric in many areas. I think a great start would be to enforce the existing gun laws so that guns are only LEGALLY sold (and these skirted the edge of existing laws). I don't necessarily agree that a government which takes weaponry away from its citizenry has something sinister up its sleeve, but in the current case were it happening, it would be a probability.

There isn't a country in the world that I can think of with a ban on hunting, and some countries use much more barbaric means of running an animal down than tracking and shooting (fox hunt anyone?) so I don't honestly know where to begin with hunting rifles/shotguns. But to quote Lynyrd Skynyrd, "hand guns were made for killin', they ain't good for nuthin' else" so the illegally owned/illegally procured handguns have got to go first.

So help us barbarians out, how do we migrate toward safer, gun-free streets? Someone already pointed out, the quickest way to a violent revolution is to ban all firearms.

 

How about you ignore the grammar and spelling, and actually answer a valid point?

'Cos it basically pissed all over yours with your "gun control caused the deaths" - look at the UK... minumum of 5 years for gun posession. Very, very few shootings, much less in terms of percentage compared to America's legal gun policy.

And other countries in Europe where guns are illegal gun crime is even less of a percentage.

Fuck it, I don't know why I'm arguing about this. America and it's people as a whole are completely fucked up and beyond help. The best thing the rest of the world can do is distance themselves from all US style policies.

 

The problem isn't the guns, it's the people who use guns to commit violence. To say it's just guns is ignoring the underlying issues. Should we ban cars because drunks get behind the wheel and kill others?

And I wouldn't talk about the US being fucked up when your country isn't a whole lot better. The UK is even more of a police state than the US.

FOUR MILLION CCTV cameras in London. I bet you feel safe.

 

BAn Hotwings!!!!! people choke om them hazzards every year!!!!!

 

British food kills more people each years in the U.K than auto accidents in the U.S forget the guns numbers .

 

Man, where can I find that stat, I need the numbers man...I NEEEEEEE-EEEEEED!!!!!!

 

Lets see a criminal enters your home you are screw becouse you cant own any firearms but lets say you were able to smack him in the head with aluminum baseball bat you get charge for hitting the burglar AND WE IN THE U.S are FUCK UP? .

 

im only using 1 hand while typing and half blind so forget any grammar errors .