the universe! infinite?

Discussion in 'Mind Games' started by duuuuurp, Mar 22, 2007.

  1. duuuuurp

    duuuuurp Member

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    my theory is that the universe has been existing forever and will continue to exist forever. what we call "the universe" is just one of many. every "universe" starts with a big bang, some will continue expanding forever and some will end in a crunch. the ones that expand go on to create other universes that will either expand or collapse. my theory is that this has been going on infinitely and will never stop. what are your thoughts on this theory?
     
  2. Eowyn Hart

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    i think our solar system is a cell and we are in a huge masseeeve body that will eventually die, taking our world and other cells with it. but it don't matter cause there are a snillion other bodies containing cells just like our worlds....and they live on a solar system thats really a cell too..etc....
    ...i think your idea is too far fetched :p
     
  3. Therapoetry

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    All that exists has always existed. Everything at its core is made up of the same thing... energy. How that energy manifests itself is contigent upon the particular interactions between energy sources. There are infinite planes of energy sources and infinite possible combinations... hence the idea that existence is infinite. No combination could ever repeat itself, because that would then create a stretch of finite interaction between the first time that combination was manifested and the next time it is manifested. Likewise, there is no finite measure of each energy source, nor an actual distinction between energy sources... it all just is. Because our brains work on a purely logical level, even in abstract thought, it is virtually impossible to formulate a working and completely explainable concept of how that really works. Put your noggin on that for a minute...
    Our universe may only appear to be expanding because it is in fact inocorporating more energy sources beyond the interaction of energy we've come to know as "the Universe." Basically, we've been able to prove the universe is expanding because we've so far identified what it is that is within our universe... but answer this... if the universe is expanding, what is outside of our universe? Where is the room coming from in which we have to expand? it's all simply energy and existence we have yet to quantify or classify. Even saying it's expanding out into a nebulous void implies the existence of something outside of the Universe... for to bring definition to a concept such as "void" we in fact have to grasp the concept that is void. If void is truly non-existence, we would be unable to define it. By conceptualizing something like void, we create its existence, and thus the idea of void nullifies itself. In other words, just the act of defining void negates the notion of void, because if it was truly non-existence, it would not be able to be defined because a definition exists.
    "big bang" is basically our conceptualization of the calculations that mathematicians and physics scholars have formulated to explain the forces working in our universe. It makes it quantifiable. But math itself is merely a manmade construct that is propogated by the human need for logic and finite measurement. Science is a manmade concept as well, and only seems infallible because it applies so well to the world around us. It is but the product of our own perception, and that coexisting with the general ability of the human to exhibit similar sensory thresholds interspecially, we are able to theorize and conclude on common principles. Time is another one of those manmade ideas based solely on the fact that we can chronologically measure the beginning and end of things around us, including ourselves, and thus create a system of measuring based on those experiences. But really, if we lacked what we call memory, we would have no concept of conscious chronology, because our anchor point (the memory of the sun rising) would be lost when we encountered an environmental cue we could base the finite measure upon (the memory of the sun setting).
    that's all for now...
     
  4. Eowyn Hart

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    could you repeat that without the fullstops? i wanna see how far i get before i pass out :)
     
  5. Therapoetry

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    damn if I only know what fullstops were.
     
  6. defboatz14

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    Man, simplify yourself!
     
  7. sitareric

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    I think the Universe is Infinite in everyway. Being that a molecule ends up being mostly empty space, and the only thing that really creates it into being is Thought.

    The universe had no beginning, and it doesnt end. Creation is a thought, Manifesting our Intentions.
     
  8. ronald Macdonald

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    No what are your thoughts on this? dude this is someonelses theory and they get paid loads of money to write stuff like that. So the question is what are YOUR ideas about it?
    I know youre only 14 but the plagiarism police will be arriving shortly so stay home
     
  9. duuuuurp

    duuuuurp Member

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    I thought I thought of it. Besides, no one wants to listen to something that cant be proven.
     
  10. DestroyedLED

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    i definitely agree with hart. i believe that were are a cell to a cell to a cell, made up of cells. constantly dying and being reborn.

    um Therapoetry thats crazy long. cant read it sorry.
     
  11. Hobes

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    how can you say it will go on forever if you understand "some" (according to science all)
    have a big crunch.
    of course i understand a LOT of this is theory but still i have to ask.(sry if i am a buzz kill)
     
  12. eshu

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    I also think lke that.. sometimes.

    only difference is that I see our solar system as an atom. sun being the proton-neutron core and the planets the electrons. it goes upwards infinitely. galaxies being molecules, universes forming the substance OF maybe another living-non living being!

    this also works downwards: maybe atoms in our body are solar systems in which "tiny" creatures live and open a forum named "mind fuck!" heehee

    whoooww..
    scary...
     
  13. dacre4

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    yeah i think harts ideas real interesting although i do find it a bit far fetched i know that anything could be possible, but i think therapoetry has the most reasonable idea. I diddnt read the whole thing but i read alot of it and it sounds very logical to me.
     
  14. Eugene

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    so where are gluons, or the neutrinos?
    fact is, the solar system doesn't really resemble an atom in any other way than having a core with things moving around it. planets do not act like electrons, they rarely share the same oribit, they move in slow arcs rather than jumping from one oribital to another, and most importantly, you can see where they are and where they are going at the same time.
     
  15. Eugene

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    umm... ants have a concept of time, so it isn't man-made. and if we can chronologically measure something, that means that time already existed. it also isn't expanding in the traditional sense (moving from point a to b) it's more like blowing up a balloon.
    and there is no such thing as a 'void', even in the deepest of space, tiny bits of anti matter and matter are continually created and destroyed.
    and the whole 'infinite energy planes', or whatever you're calling them, are pure pseudoscience...
     
  16. hippy i am

    hippy i am poppy seed bagels

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    I shotgun on the "cells" theory. I mean, we are composed of billions upon billions of tiny microscopic cells. So, in turn, cells are composed of atoms. Which are composed of electrons, protons and neutrons. So, who's to say that the Universe doesn't consist of these "cells". I don't know. It's infinite. Maybe the answer to this question is just so profound, that if we knew the answer, Armageddon would happen or maybe nothing will happen. Maybe the answer just isn't that interesting. Being the humans that we are, I'm sure government officials just can't wait to customize the intangible cells.
     

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