Atheists are Just Moral as Christians!

Atheists are definitley more kinder and non-violent than Christians. No argument there. But what do you mean by more health care and more education? Are you talking about taxed public shite or voluntary charitable education and health? I have a feeling you meant the former, but there are many atheists (such as my self) that are for the latter. Or in other words there are many anti-government atheists who see the state as another source of "faith" (that has its origins in the Divine Right of Kings philosophy).

One thing all atheists can agree on though is that they are tolerant to all lifestyles that don't infringe upon the rights of others, libertarians atheists being more so than socialist atheists.

 

Until we completely overhaul the economic system, I will still rely on public health and education, because (in our current system) the other way will only increase the gap between the rich and the poor.

Thus, the wealthy will have adequate health care and education and the poor will get the fucking shaft as usual. No thanks, I'm not into going back to feudalism.

 

I don't think you have a good understanding on how much the state contributes to such a huge gap between the rich and the poor. Corporations exist because of the state. They flourish because of the state. Big business could not survive without the state because the only way they can grow so large is because of state privelages (subsidies, anti-competition regulation, patents, ect.)

Libertarian Anarchism is NOT feudalism. It seems you haven't read much about political science and economics.......I suggest you do some reading (especially literature from the American anarchists, who were all anti-capitalist in the rightest sense of the word). Because it isn't as easy to just have public education and public health.......it all comes at a cost. Taxes don't hurt big corporations........they hurt the working and middle class. And are a violation of life, liberty, and property, the foundational tenents of classical liberalism that led (but ultimatley brushed to the side because of class conflict) to the modern world.

And of course, public schools are shite. It isn't the teacher's or faculity's fault.........it's the bureaucratic control over education.

Don't rely on the state for ways to help people.......help people yourself. It may take more effort but in the end it works far better than relying on the institution of force (the state). Put all your energy from campaigning for more government regulation on the lives of people into starting private welfare organizations.

 

ROFL!! Are you fucking kidding me?

Jesus Christ, I don't have a "good understanding", and I haven't read much about political science and economics.

Dude, if that wasn't so goddamned ignorant of a statement it would piss me off.

I can't stand you fuckers who think you know everything and try to piss on others when they disagree with your own fucking views.

That's arrogant and real fucked up, man.

The fact of the matter is that I LIVE & BREATHE politics and I am well aware of what the State creates and contributes and NO WAY did I state that I was a Statist!

Do you not see my avatar? I am an anarchist, but a COMMUNAL ANARCHIST.

I agree that the State causes just as many problems, but that without cooperation we would all be swallowed by the RICH.

I say ABOLISH MONEY altogether.

Don't assume I am a statist because you MISUNDERSTOOD what I was saying about our CURRENT SYSTEM.

That's bullshit.

How would you like it if I called you a BUSH LOVER just because you don't see eye to eye with me on CAPITALIST PIG CORPORATIONS?

 

Dude, calm the fuck down.

Secondly, I think we perfectly see eye to eye on capitalist pig corporations, because I am against corporations.

The reason why I suggested you read more about political science and economics is because I thought you supported universal state provided goods and services. If you are an anarchist you are oppose to state everything, no exceptions. Being a free market anarchist, I still don't support any type of "pro-market" government legislation because I view all government legislation as harmful. You similarly should view state health care and state education in the same light, even if they share some principles to collectivism.

And yes, I agree we should abolish money......if by money you mean some state-enforced money.

Peace man.......take it easy .

 

I am calm.

I am passionate, however, about being equated with Statism!

I think we probably see eye to eye more than we both think.

 

if a society shares moral values, it will fit under the definition of religious. people don't need to be theists, there doesn't have to be any churches or services, or any formalities, just some common beliefs.

 

:agree: with both the anarchism and abolishing money.

Many Christians forget...

The Church Of The Rich http://www.newint.org/issue137/church.htm


Peace

 

There's no such thing as an atheist rapist, killer, or thief. Yup, all those murders and criminals are all Christians, because even the meanest atheist is kinder than the kindest of Christians. Yup, you hit that one right on the nail alright.

This is one of the most ignorant things I've ever read. I know mean spirited athiests and I know incredibly kind Christians; how about you don't make such stereotypical statements? I mean, all it's doing is showing your extreme bias, naievity, intolerance, and ignorance anyways. Pretty ironic, huh?

Are you kidding? Many athiests are so just so they can bash on the beliefs of others. I'm not saying all athiests are this way, but many are just as intolerant as radicals from other religions. With evidence of the stereotypical, intolerant statement you made earlier, you're probably one of them.

 

according to who??? where did these figures come from????
If I dont see a credible source for the figures I dont see anything worth debating - besides which - how are you measuring what is a high standard of living????? toamtoes in spain taste a hell of a lot better than any shit you buy in northern Europe and in France the dont have half the suicide rate of Sweden!

 

They're calculated from incredibly vague equations with values that have been decided upon. It lacks any quantitative accuracy and qualitative is grossly negligible.

 

Politics is all good and well but have you ever taken a higher level economics course?