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your enormous intellect? Now I see why laughter is your secret, it is quite easy to reamin ignorant and laugh at yourself when you cant prove a point.
And dont ever compare yourself to me as a fellow ninja, there is only one ninja in this universe whose skills are eqaul with mine, and she is my twin sister. And trust me, she would slice you up before you even knew she was in your prescence. And if there is any one poster here who has proven that he does not think before he moves, or at least types his toughts, its you.
BTW, yes, I believe in Allah, I am a muslim.

 

I think you're jealous that I think Moonchild is beautiful!

 

haha why would you think that? I know she is beautiful, but that has nothing to do with your feeling that not only is it ok, but that it is funny to judge religous people based on nothing but your negative point of view, and your inability to prove them wrong or right. I realize that you are in the wrong for doing so, sure, every person has the right to believe what they will and have their own opinion, but my opinion is based on love and personal growth, while yours is rooted in hatred and fear. Also, Moonchild is the most open minded person I have ever come to know, I hope you were commenting on the beauty of her intellect and the wisdom she has to share with those who are willing to listen, rather than her physical beauty

 

Hatred and Fear? You suppose me to hate and fear religious people?! To what end? I know many, and love them, but I cannot respect their beliefs, although I respect their lives. If my view was truly negative, I would have mixed some deceit into my statements, for example a lie that the religious are incapable of changing their nature or of growing beyond their religion, but I think you realize this anyway

Rather than?! Why?

lol

 

You respect their lives? By claiming that religion is for the sick? I guess, maybe I never considered, that you are also speaking of the mentally ill? please. Stop wasting your time, nobody has to change their nature or grow out of religion to please you. If anything, plenty of people grow INTO religion, wether or not you wish they would.
And rather, because obviously she is attractive, but since you already proved your ignorance, I doubt your comment holds any weight to her. I dont wish to speak for her, I may very well be wrong, but I doubt it. Maybe, if you commented on her ability to prove a point, she may respect you a little more and look past your rediculous statements soaked with blind ignorance and shallow pride. Learn some humility child, and you will know true wisdom. At least, to an extent that I cant claim to know how deep it would run through you.

 

Right about what?

 

. "You're going to hell, you non believer". "You're a heathen with no morals"

LOL Just like Jesus would have talked to you
what can u do man? I'm Christian but going to hell b/c I'm not born again haha
smile and wave, I guess

peace, God bless

 

You've pretty much stated your intolerance right there. You don't have to believe their religion, hell, you don't even have to like their religion, but you should at least respect it. What puts you on a pedistal so high that religion followed by billions is not worthy of your respect? You really lost any credibility towards unbiased statements with this one, you're ignorance is a joke. Hey, I think I've figured your laughter thing out, you're laughing at yourself, huh?

 

Paintballer

Would you care to mention why I should respect it? Isn't it enough to respect their lives?

So now sheer number demands my respect?

Every statement contains bias, even if it is only that the person who made it, chose to make it.

The reactions ('moral' outrage and 'righteous' indignation) I am witnessing to my statements,
are a joke.

 

You say you respect their lives, yet you don't respect their beliefs, their logic, their intellect, who they are. Do you know see the contradiction here? If you can't even respect their beliefs, there's no way in hell you actually respect their lives.

That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying that you disrespect the lives of billions of people you don't even know just because you stereotype their beliefs.

Where did you hear this? That's completely illogical and completely false.

If you deem these reactions to your ignorance and disrespectfulness as irrational and a joke, then you've got one sick sense of humor.

 

I cannot respect what I do not know, and the religious conceal much of who they are, or could be, in 'god' which is something I do not know. This does not mean I do not love them regardless.

Then you are being presumptuous. I have only attempted to categorize such belief as I understand it. Belief in god to me is an inferior kind of understanding.

I think it. It is not false at all. Bias is choice, is preference. If you think it is false, why not attempt to say how? Can you for instance, reason why you believe god exists?

lol

 

Ah, so now you're changing your story. You don't need to 'know' God to know religion; if you truly respected or loved them you would open your mind a spend a few minutes to at leasat get an understanding of their basic beliefs and moral values. Three minutes of research would suffice to find this out; but research is irksome and three minutes is a long time.

So you are incapable of respecting that which you do not understand? When I was a child, I would read the amazing discoveries by Einstein but obviously I didn't have the intellect at that age to comprehend them, but I still had tremendous respect for him.
And what exactly is your belief in God? You claim that believing in God is an inferior understanding and then you claim that you don't even understand the beliefs, very humorous indeed.

Bias is preferencing such that it impairs proper judgement, you're cutting it's definition far short. It's false because just because a person chooses to say something, it does not always imply that he had a preference in the matter and most definately does not imply that he is using unsound judgement. If what you said was true, then every statement everyone has ever said would have been uncredible. If I say, "that tree is green", I'm biased for making an observation? I don't feel preferenced to the point of improper judgement on anything, yet by your claim I must, so where is this bias? The claim you made was down right ludicrous and used the logic and reasoning of an eight year old.

Can I reason my faith? You ask for logic and faith in the same question? Surely you are not that ignorant. Even though this has absolutely nothing to do with bias I'll share my reasons. I'm studying for my degree in physics, upon examining the lesser known properties of the universe, elegance of incomparable stature is found. The universe has physical properties that tie hand in hand with mathematical values that is just beautiful to be coincidence. Perhaps you are familiar with the golden ratio? It sets the proportions for life across the globe. Symmetric properties in the microscopic realm abide by all the mathematical possibilities, well suppersymmetry isn't quite proven yet, but that's debateable. And the biggest question, the origin of life; where do you think it came from? Of course, I have no answer, but it seems to me a higher being must have had a hand in creating something so elegant, so mysterious, something unexplainable by science.

Now I ask you this, can you reason why you don't believe God exists? Logical answers only, please, no evidence won't cut it.

 

1) Not really. Suffice to says, if the laws weren't just right, we wouldn't be here to be talking about them. The laws have just as high of a probability, based on our current knowledge, as they do to be any others.

Also, suppose that in blackholes a new Universe is created with slightly altered laws of physics. And in that blackhole another blackhole exists, etc etc. It follows that our Universe is probably just a blackhole inside another Universe with slightly altered laws of physics. Make enough blackholes, trillions, with slightly altered laws of physics then the dice will roll with our laws a few times.

2) Probably some carbon chains.

 

Paintballer

I'm not changing my story. I have not suggested that knowledge of god is knowledge of religion, but that as I do not know god, I do not believe in it. The moral values across the span of peoples, let alone religious beliefs vary greatly, yet you're saying there are some basic moral values to religious belief?

No-one is capable of respecting (at least not completely) what they do not understand. This is why love is greater than respect. Belief in god is an inferior understanding for myself because I do not know god, and I am not one who believes in what I do not know, which does not preclude me from trying to understand what I do not.

Actually, that a person chooses to say something does in fact imply preference in the matter, even if only in that they chose to say it, as I have stated already.

Yes, the truth of the statement has nothing to do with your motive for stating it, in which you can only have bias. You are the one cutting the definition of 'bias' short. While I admit it to mean preference, you limit its meaning to prejudice.

You believe in god, something which you do not know. I would say there is prejudice, and not only bias in your belief.

No, I ask if your faith naturally progresses from logic.

So God didn't create everything, but only had a hand in it! I have respect for you whether you like it or not! Why does it seem that way to you? Life may not create itself, at least not to begin with, but regarding the universe, the infinite,--isn't it possible that something so mysterious, and unexplainable ...creates itself? Perhaps we can agree on this.

It's much easier for me to reason why I do not believe in god. I do not know god, as you already know.

 

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Please stay on-topic ...

Laws of high probability? Black holes in a new Universe? Blackholes inside another ... times a trillion ... ???

What does this have to do with "When you tell other people of you stance on religion, what is their reaction"?

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Dejavu, et. al., Please Try to stay OnTopic ... !!!

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Darrell, perhaps we should think of this topic as one big chain reaction?

 

Your response is not OnTopic ... Please don't be a causal factor for me to use my Godly Powers and kick you out of this thread ...

As such, this post will be deleted once I see the content of this thread going back OnTopic ...

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Darrell:

The way I see it, all topics of all kinds lead into and out of eachother. There are countless threads already, but if, as a moderator, one must insist that there is a new thread for every topic, I think you're probably doing a good job in encouraging it. However, if it comes to deletion of posts that stray in any way from the initial subject, I'm out of this place!

 

Yes, there are basic moral beliefs to all Christians, there are basic moral beliefs between Jews, etc. And yes, obviously religion in general have commonalities, on the moral level as well.

No, you can fully respect what you do not understand. You may not be able to fully appreciate it, but respect can be given regardless of knowledge. Respect is a part of love, if you cannot even respect something, a very simple task indeed, you cannot possible 'love' it.

No it does not. If I say, "the wall is white", there is no bias. Bias requires oppinion, when stating fact bias is impossible. You could say that people have bias to speak over remaining quiet, but that is universal among anything ever said and can be cancelled out as a constant.

In the connotation implied in the real world, bias is limited to preference without sound judgement. It would be improper diction to use bias as a strict synonym for preference, for it would give a different connotation. If you were trying to express pure preference, the word 'preference' or 'choice' would be used in its place.

The faith required to disbelieve God is equivalent to that required to believe in him, subjecting yourself to any claim you're making.

Which it does. It's not proven, but it what fills in the gaps for the unexplainable and is how I personally define it as to begin with.

I have a feeling 'God' to me and you isn't the same thing. Most people think of God as a personified figure, something tangible related by human terms. I think of God as a force that provides the drive to create that which seems uncreatable.

How can something create itself when itself is not there to create in the first place? If I am a bacteria reproducing, I can make more of myself indeed. But first I require myself so I can reciprocate in the first place. Quantum fluctuations set aside, matter does not appear from nothing, something must have put it here.

That is reason enough for you own beliefs, if you choose to accept it, but not knowing something isn't grounds for disbelief to all.