If Jesus was alive today, who would his enemies be?

If Jesus was alive today, who would his enemies be?
Last time it was the jewish high priests that wanted him dead. So, if he was alive today and inspiring people in America, who would want to see him dead?

 

Who usually hates the revolutionary? Everyone who is happy with the status quo.

 

Jesus didn't have any enemies when he was alive, the jewish priests thought jesus was their enemy, but he really didn't have any enemies. So , now people may think that he will have enemies, but realy from Jesus's perspective, there will be no enemy for him, everyone comes under his banner.

To understand this, we need to realize that Jesus is actually like a babysitter, and everyone else is a 2 year old. The baby sitter takes care of all the "good" and "naughty" two year olds, for her there are no enemies.

 

How about Satan?

 

If satan turns back to Lucifer and wants to go back to heaven, I am sure Jesus will vouch for him and let God forgive Lucifer as well and let him in to his kingdom. Ultimately, that is what will happen anyway .

 

Tis a bit of a con job - there is little difference between them (both being competing "light bringers").

 

I'm going to go with Satan and his unwitting followers. More spefically, you have to look at the obvious suspects. The porn industry, pharm. companies, large corporations whom survive through the public's mass consumpsumption, and generally all people and entities whom thrive of selfishness and greed. My bet is the powers that be wouldn't even let him get a radio spot.

 

But then who'd supervise the eternal punishment of those sinners in hell?

 

My guess is that the powers that be would put him in a mental hospital. Probably, the hospital chaplain would look in from time to time to see if he was ok.....

 

How about the catholic church?

 

What is Sin?--> An action that takes one away from God. As long as we sin, we cannot enter the gates of heaven, we supervise our own doom.

Note: what supports us is the breath of God, then with this logic , one can say that you cannot really go away from God, well, thats true but they are not talking about physically going away, because that will lead to your non existence and that is not possible if you are the entity that is going to suffer.
They are talking about forgetting God in a way that we think God does not exist. This leads to our suffering and this leads us to our hell.

 

Satan is the prince of Darkness, not the bearer of light that lucifer is, there is a difference. This angel that we call lucifer lived in heaven. He was only lucifer the bearer of light until he lived in heaven, when he fell, he became the prince of darkness. This shows that his "light" so to speak has its origins with in God. So he cannot be a "light bringer" without being in the same team as God. Hence, there is no real competition between Christ and Satan when bringing light, because Satan is incapable of this competition (he has no light).

 

That's a fair notion Jedi, and perhaps a helpful one. But it's not really what christians beleive. They believe that everyone will be judged on the basis of this one lifetime, and those who fall short will be cast out of the divine presence forever into hell, an actual physical place which God has prepared for this purpose.

 

I don't know about that BBB, I spoke to a reverand near my church and he told me something similar to what I have said here about sin. I know you are referring to Johnathan edwards kind of evangelism, and I agree with you that they believe in the whole wrath of God thing. But not all christians believe in that. There are those who actually understand the teachings of Christ too, that is something we need to recognize.

 

It's very difficult Jedi, because the Catholic church too holds similar doctrines, for all the intellectual gloss they like to put on things.


In my view, Christ's teachngs are meant to be mainly of a moral nature. He said people should love one another, seek to alleviate suffering, be non-judgemental and so on.
He also seems to have taught some kind of total spiritual re-juvenation or re-birth.

It's impossible to generalize about what christains believe because there are so many shades. The main christian person I know is a very liberal Anglican - his views are all centered on the humanistic side of it - which I think is good up to a point, but when you press him about the spiritual, it all gets a bit woolly.

The fundies we mentioned before would say he is 100% wrong, and the moral teaching wasn't meant for christians but the jews of the time.
So you have polar opposite views.

The liberals like the ideas that God wouldn't really send anyone to hell, and in the end, they'll all go to heaven.
The fundamentalists though will have none of it.
Catholicism seems to lie between these two, but has idiocyncracies of its own to say the least.

 

Yes BBB, I agree that is is so. but this is not limited to christianity , this is also true in Hinduism as well. We have people who give very twisted explanations for things, but there are people who give explanations that make perfect sense and that are all inclusive , positive, and give hope... I think if christians, hindus and muslims see their own doctrines in a positive, all inclusive, loving light, everything will be beautiful and no one has to object to their beliefs.

 

Yes. it would be a great advance for us all if such things could happen.

Don't discount the possibility of the emergence of new forms of spirituality either.
Myself I'm interested in the idea that religion, or the forms of religion are not really so important. If one just believes in a spiritual power which is beyond our conception, yet nonetheless knowable by us in a direct experience, and is overall a power of good and nurture, and at the same time try to live in accord with the dictates of conscience, then perhaps that is enough. One can be free to look into varities of spiritual experience, but one need not become bound by the external forms they take.

 

Christians. Because same as all the others who have come through claiming to be Jesus Christ, no one would believe in him, no matter what he did to prove it.

 

Beautifully fucking illustrated.

peace

 

sadly "jesus" is but the product of mankind's "imag"ination and would not such an "image" be rightly called Anti-Father or at the very least Anti-Messiah?

as for the name "jesus" being the product of mankind's "imag"ination, there is ample evidence that the name "jesus" was never spoken until some 1500 years after "Our Father" raised up The Messiah from among the dead.......

Immanuel yesterday and today, for Our Father is yet within The Body of The Messiah....... Spirit led, Spirit filled and Heavenly for The Kingdom of Heaven IS.......

peace, in spite of the dis-ease(no-peace) that is of this world, for "the
WHOLE world is under the control of "d"evil one", indeed and Truth.......
francisco