Attack on Iran - IMMINENT!

Names have been named. Many of them have openly admitted their agenda, but they know most of the public is too busy paying attention to sports and reality TV to care. That's why they give us bread and circuses, to keep us distracted and dumbed down.

Yes, and these people have admitted OPENLY to sharing the same agenda.

Not when you consider their system is bound together at the top by blood and oaths.

In which way would this have come to light, and through which medium?

Billionaires are NOTHING to the true masters at the top, who own the printing presses that print the money out of thin air -- the people who own and control the world economy. Most billionaires are not "self-made." Most billionaires get to where they are because they are ruthless and willing to serve those above them to make it up the ladder. This is a compartmentalized system. When you think somebody is at the top, there is always somebody above them.

The Chinese elites are in bed and working with the western elites. Do you not see that we're giving China everything they have? They haven't stolen anything from us because we gave them everything they have. China is being set up by the global elite to be the next superpower. It is to be the new base for the Elite, who have no allegience to any one particular country as they are INTERNATIONALISTS. Many of them have already moved to China. Look at the relationship between the Rockefellers and the Li family... China's most wealthy and powerful family. These people are all working together to achieve their goal.

Actually, they are NOT capitalists. They are monopoly capitalists, and monopoly capitalism has more in common with communism than it does true capitalism. Let's keep in mind both capitalism and communism were created by the big banks as both deal with money. Those at the top do not like competition. They want it all for themselves. This is why communism has always equaled the enslavement of the masses while the few at the top live in luxury. This is why communism is a tyrants dream.

These people all hold some degree of power, but they're really just placemen answering to people above them. To say they are "in control" is as ridiculous as it is false. That's why it doesn't matter who gets into office -- Democrat or Republican -- nobody makes it to this level unless they have proven obedient to their masters. If you want me to elaborate more regarding how Bush and Cheney are not at all the ones ultimately making the decisions, I can.

Yes, they are manipulated by "visible" groups, but there are always groups and people beyond just the visible groups that the public sees and are allowed to know about. These visible groups you refer to are themselves being manipulated. Again, this is a COMPARTMENTALIZED structure. What you think is the top is often nowhere close. It's like Russian dolls, where you remove one and there is another inside of it. This is how the power structure works. There are many, many levels of frontmen and frontgroups before you even get close to those at the top. This is why they're able to maintain such secrecy.

You can only create your own reality by understanding how the system is set up and how it works to keep you enslaved and away from the truth. Only then can you live outside of the system and be truly free. Believing in the false illusion of the system will keep you trapped within it, while you THINK you're free but you're not. Only by realizing you're not free do you become free.

 

Ultimately, military action against Iran
is unlikely to be necessary. the Teheran
regime presides over one of the most vunerable
economies in the world. Upward of 85 percent
of goverment revenues come from gas or oil sales,
with half coming from oil. But a lack of foreign investment
has caused Iranian oil production to fall from 6 million
barrels a day under The Shah to only 3.9 million during
last year, while domestic demand grows at 10 percent
a year.
The Iranian goverment faces a likely cut
in its energy revenues from $55 Billion last year to
$44 Billion this year. This will probably mean slashes
in subsidies that keep gasoline at about 35 cents per
gallon in Iran and in other programs that buy social support
and political stability.
If Americans and particularly state pension funds would
join in the efforts promoted by former UnderSecretary of Defense Frank Gafney to stop buying stocks in the 485 publicly traded
companies that do business in Iran, N. Korea, Sudan or Syria
we could bring the Iranian goverment to its knees and likely
to the brink of regime change.
Companies like Royal Dutch Shell, BNP, Total and others are
leading the investments in Iran. Economic pressure on these
companies could work the same miracles in Iran that
similar efforts produced in South Africa in the 80's.

This was written by Dick Morris in The N.Y. Post, 3/18/07
Morris worked in The White House during President Clinton's Term.

 

The PNAC neocons have planned on invading Iran since the 90s. It is part of the agenda for taking over the Middle East and standardizing it, which is the ultimate goal of these wars (not oil). It will happen, regardless of what Dick Morris says.

 

Rat, you impress me with your vast knowledge of the issues (or at least your ability to promote your beliefs).

But, I wonder... are you like some sort of Libertarian Scientologist?

Not trying to be an asshole either, I would geniunely like to know your beliefs in a condensed version.

You are quite an interesting conversationalist.

 

I am not a Libertarian, and I am certainly not a Scientologist. Thanks for asking, though. Libertarianism is based on economics. I see beyond the economic-political paradigm, and I don't care for labels which seek only to marginalize and get people fighting amongst themselves. You see, they want us to be liberals, or Republicans, or conservatives, or Democrats, or Libertarians, or Greens, or whatever... that's how they control us. They want the public to be at each other's throats, arguing over talking points provided for them, while blind to their common enemy at the top which controls both sides of the debate, always ignoring the truth. They want us to subscribe to what is provided for us, instead of using our brains to think for ourselves. When you join an organization or political party, you are not thinking for yourself. You are conforming to the party line, which basically tells you what and what not to think.

I understand how money and religion (which go hand-in-hand) have been used since ancient times by the powerful few at the top, in order to control the masses who blindly serve their corrupt system, enabling these elites to continue living in luxury without the worries of the slaves (us). Throughout the ages, the "unenlightened" masses have always been viewed as cattle by these people at the top, who are to be simply used to serve their system. Most people don't understand this is not their system, it's the Elites. People born into the system never question what they interpret as normal to them because it's the only system they have ever known.

Their entire system of control is based on money. Just look at how all the pain, worry and suffering in the world is based around money or the lack of it, yet the few at the top, who are born into these powerful Elite families that control the money, have none of these worries. It's a very inhumane system. Yet, few people ask themselves what money really is or who prints the money, or how money is used for nothing other than control, and has been for thousands of years. At the same time, I don't view socialism or communism -- which is part of the same economic system, created by the same big banks that gave us capitalism -- as the solution. The entrap people by providing false solutions. They provide the opposition to every side they give us. You literally need to look past all these "sides" to see the truth. Communism is no more the solution to capitalism than the Democratic party is the solution to the Republicans. People need to look beyond all the labels and understand how everything is controlled from the top in order to control us and keep us in the dark.

 

I completely agree with you 100% here. Money determines the value of human worth in almost everything and that sickens me to no end. A person is no better of a person just because they have more green paper than I do.

As far as the "they" who control everything, I don't know exactly what you mean here, but I do believe that there very well could be a cooperation at the top rather than a "competition" and that most of the fat cats are indeed in the sack with each other vomiting their bile on our heads.

 

"They" are the Elite... the Global Elite. The powerful banking families, the nobility, and the high-level bureaucrats working for these families to further their totalitarian agenda and keep this system intact.

 

I could easily see how powerful banking families and corporate shareholders could be in league.

 

Without The Goverment, they are nothing.

 

Yeah. You can see it in the way they act. Such as Bush Sr. saying that the LA riots was just some little thing carried out by some teenage hoodlums. It took him about a week to even respond to the riots. Same thing with junior and Katrina. He just went about his regularly scheduled military base talk show circuit after commenting briefly on Katrina after the disaster. He didn't mention it at all in this year's state of the union address (although he talked about Iraq endlessly). Shows you where the elite's priorities are at.

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In spite of all that, people in the plains and mountain states still love the guy, as if he were a true native Texan. The national committees could import a Saudi prince and run him as a Texan and people would fall for it.

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Before this anti-semetism thing gets completely forgotten, we have to look back at the history of the conspiracy that Rat is promoting. The biggest anti-semetic conspiracy theory of all is the Protocols of the Elders of Zion. This is not actually the real beginning, since jews have been persecuted as long as they have been around. And the Illuminati and freemason groups (and anti-illuminati and anti-freemason conspiracy theories) had been around for quite a while. But the protocols plagiarised these previous conspiracy theories to create a proper unified conspiracy theory blaming the jews for everything. It bears a striking resemblance to a typical Rat rant, with doom mongering and talk about control of the media and banks, economic decline, morality, etc, the behind the scenes manipulation by elites. I challenge anyone to read it and see just how closely follows the story and "logic" behind Rats theories. Anyway it was written by Russian secret police to discredit the communists in Russia, as communism was closesly associated with jews.

The theory was quickly exposed as a fake and a plagiarised one at that, and after WWII fell out of favor will all but the die hard jew haters. However, a lot of people discovered that if you replace the word "jew" with "zionist" or better yet with "bankers" you could repeat virtually every word of the protocols and pretend you weren't promoting anti-semetism. To take it one step further, you could just refer to the "elites" and now you were twice removed from the protocols, even more deniability. But anyone who read through the protocols and reads anything Rat writes will realise its deja vu. Of course a little of the anti-semetism always seeps through, such as the obsession with the Rothschilds, but this is easy to cover up by referring to the hidden elites.

So we could give Rat some slack for being duped into swallowing an old jew hating conspiracy theory with a new paint job. It is hard to say whether he hasn't figured out that underneath it all is the same anti-semetic lies, or whether he knows that but tries to keep it under wraps. Certainly he has a habit of "accidentally" quoting people and visiting websites which make far less effort to hide their anti-semetism, but he would tell you that that is all just a big misunderstanding and didn't you know the Illuminati wrote the protocols so you see its actually yet another sneaky trick by those elites...

 

I think Skip raises an important point - if the Elite control everything, and always have, how exaclty has this changed anything? How would a world without elites function? Would there have been no religeons without the secret conspiring elites to create them? Would there be no wars without secret conspiracy elites to start and profit from them? Would governments never try to take away civil liberties? Would there not be big businesses and economic booms and recessions? Would the "moral decline" (I'd call it moral ascent) of societies around the world not have happened without the behind the scenes elites manipulating everything? I think very few people here would believe that - Rat's theory is so all encompassing that it becomes self defeating - apparently in an Illuminati free world not much of anything would happen. Anybody here think that, please raise your hand.

A core part of Rat's theories is that these all powerful elites use central banks as a key mechanism of control. A major problem with this theory is that Rat doesn't actually understand central banks or monetary policy.

Rat has been repeating this story for a long time. "its not conspiracy theory". Yet he cannot prove it. It is a very basic lie that 13 families own the federal reserve - this is simply false, and no amount of repetition will make it true. No amount of explaining by Rat can back it up - he simply repeats it because it must be true, because all the conspiracy websites say so. But it isn't, it isn't even close to being true.

Ask yourself - why would someone who has done so much research, who is such an independent thinker (so he says) - keep repeating conspiracy theories he does not understand and cannot explain?

 

Pepik (aka Pointbreak) - you are an admitted neoconservative and an ardent supporter of the neocons' pre-emptive, imperialist agenda. It's not uncommon for neocons to resort to petty name-calling, throwing the "anti-Semite" label on people exposing their criminal agenda, in an attempt to shut them up and discredit them. This is nothing new coming from you. Like the disingenuous fraud you are, you use the tired anti-Semitism trick in a feeble attempt to discredit the notion that powerful elites are in fact conspiring behind the scenes, without the public's knowledge or consent, when these people have openly admitted they want a world government and are doing everything to move us in that direction.

You have defended their agenda time and time again, so we know where you stand.

If you think you know the truth about who owns the Federal Reserve, then go ahead and name the names. But don't think you're going to get away with lying about it being government-owned like you have in the past. Every remotely informed person knows this is not the case. Just because the president/banker puppet chooses the FED chairman from a list provided to him by the banks (in reality, the president is told who to appoint), doesn't make it a federal institution, but rather give the illusion it's federal when it's private.

The families behind the FED control the government and set the rules. Those who own the gold make the rules. The government doesn't control the FED as you have suggested in the past.

 

I don't think that's going to do you much good Rat. I showed that your conspiracy is based on an anti-semetic fraud, with a very thin disguise. All you have done is whine that you don't like it pointed out.

Monetary Policy is controlled by the FOMC which is controlled by government appointees. There are no shareholders of the FOMC any more than there are shareholders in the Supreme Court.​

The problem is that your theory makes no sense and has no evidence to back it up. You always claim that private banks own and control the Federal Reserve, but when I point out he FOMC is controlled by the government, you just sneer and say the elite control the government. If it makes no difference whether the Fed is privately owned or government owned since the elite control everything, then why is the 'private bankers control the Fed' story so important to your "theory" into which you have put so much "research"?.​

And that's your default argument. You pretent that its based on all this study of how the Federal Reserve system works, of study of history and government, but ultimately its your study of how to say "the elite control everything" as an answer to every question.​

Its all here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Open_Market_Committee or here http://www.federalreserve.gov/FOMC/. Where's your evidence that 13 families control it?
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Good grief. The government is controlled by the big banks. Everything is controlled from the top. The people who own the banks control everything below them. The FOMC means nil since government works for the big banks and not the other way around. We are talking about privately owned banks -- not government owned ones. The people who own the banks are the ones with the real power. They own the politicians who are working for THEM. It's that simple.

As I stated in a previous thread, the notion of the FOMC being government-elected is to simply provide the illusion it's federal when it's not. It's a privately-owned corporation. The government doesn't make the rules for it, IT makes the rules for the government.

 

PR don't waste your time responding, your just feeding pointbreak's ego. People like that have no desire to deviate from the typical sheeple point of view, it provides them with a false sense of security. No matter what you say, what evidence you give, they will always be combative, argumentative, and condescending. Let them continue to spew blind rhetoric, it's pointless to even respond.

 

Wow, nothing like some fear mongering.