Okay. i guess now you can say that i am retarded, please?

Well... i am pretty sure you are going to tell me that i am ignorant and stupid and something like that. Anyway... i have been smoking salvia now many times... and yes i have read about all the stuff that it's not good to do it without a sitter and you should respect it all the time and so on... blabla...(i will prolly get myself dead some day)

i find myself cursing the plant when i am tripping. it's nothing personal, it just comes automatically... and yeah i have felt "it" being around me many times and when i feel it i know my mind is playing tricks on me... or the spirits and stuff... i know it feels good to think that there is something really cool after you die but i don't believe in this. I was hoping salvia would help me but it didn't... false hope... I am still a stubborn hardcore realistic freak who has to explain everything... and usually i find the explanation even to the most spooky stuff.

So back to the cursing... i know many people try to avoid bad trips but to me it's different. I am cursing the plant because i want to get bad trips. i am trying to get it mad enough and when it starts spinning me around like a rubber doll i say yeah, more more more you ****! Sometimes i prepare myself mentally and get myself afraid and then smoke it... is there anyone else who does it like me or am i the only retarded one? Fear and hopelessness... the best feelings i could ever feel... even when i am shocked over about it for days it still is a powerful feeling that i don't get from anywhere else...

Yeah. this post could prolly make you all hate me or something... i just have so many things in my head... and i know that some day i will pay for all of this but i don't care. Everyone has to pay right? Hah... i think i could be doing salvia because i want it to punish me for what i have done in the past...

 

Dude, if you're going to fuck around like that, at least use a drug that isn't on the brink of becoming illegal. The last thing Salvia needs is some prick that fucks up and causes the DEA to schedule it.

If you want to be self-destructive, just use alcohol or meth or some shit like that.

Or better yet, face your goddamn problems instead of running away.

 

i think the tougher approachis good as far as it is honest. some friends call eachother 'fuckers' - why not.
spin hard & love it!
sure,
just take care
like be tought yet good.

it has to be honest. fake respect is worse than no respect

 

makes sense to me. your process seems to be working for you.
showing respect doesnt necessarily mean being polite. by cursing and challenging it you are acknowledging its power, and that's more respectful than treating it like a lightweight.
I too believe it's all in ones own mind, though I'm more neutral about it than you are.
I know what you mean about the fear. If I'm not at least a litle frightened on the comeup I probably didn't take enough.
salvia or any psychedelic can make us confront our deepest issues, no running away from them. perhaps your process here will lead to what you are confronting.

 

Hey, thanks for a positive response! I was expecting much worse I don't think i am just plain stupid and that i am doing it for fun... i am doing it for fear...maybe... not sure... i should get some adrenaline shots from something...

"it has to be honest. fake respect is worse than no respect" - totally agree with you!!

And i think you're right... i am being quite friendly towards salvia... i don't curse it in a negative way... Thanks for giving me something to work on!

Salvia is the best drug out there... at least for me. I actually love fighting with it in a friendly way (and the 2 day weird hangover that i mentioned in another thead is gone btw. hah...)

Umm... Silver... i am sure salvia will become illegal after some time but... well, weed is illegal. Does that stop people from doing it? no... People who really want/need it will get it without a problem.

 

try Diphenhydramine hcl if you like bad trips.... seriously

 

It perplexes me that you want fear, smoke Salvia, and still haven't had enough.

Have you tried the 20x? Held it for 30 seconds?

Man, if that doesn't scare you enough, maybe there are other issues here.

Why do you need the fear?

 

Why do people bungie jump and skydive and go to horror movies? I'm also a fear fiend.

 

Strongest i have smoked is 10x... hoping to get my hands on the 20x soon though

and uhh... i just like fear... lol. I'ts the rush, nothing else can give such a rush than fear.

 

Well - this absolutely terrified me, so maybe you can give it a go:

1) Purple Sticky Salvia, 20x.
2) Bong
3) Blowtorch lighter
4) 100 to 300mg Salvia
5) Get a lung-full
6) Hold it for at least 30 seconds

It was the scariest and most intense thing I've every known, and my first trip with Salvia.

I never really considered bungie jumping or sky diving as a "fear" thing, more of an adventure or a thrill.

No judgement - have fun.

 

yep. now honestly. I'm into the "dark", "subversive", "devious" etc. side too, but the point of taking drugs is not to work yourself into some psychotic existential fit. clearly, you're a masochist. but I assure you that if you ever find yourself in the throes of a mind-shakingly frightening trip, it won't be quite what you expect.

(this was directed at the OP)

 

I completely understand. There's so much you can learn from a bad trip, both about yourself and the drug. I had my first trip with Salvia last night and it was the most terrifying thing I ever experienced, but I would do it all over again.

When I started smoking marijuana I would have horrible trips (yes, trips) but I kept going, because with each bad experience I learned more about myself and became stronger. I haven't had a bad experience with pot in years now, and I respect the drug so much for the full range of things it has evoked in me.

Bad trips aren't necessarily a negative thing, but they're not for everyone.

Power to you, man.

 

Yeah purple sticky salvia is crazy...i thought i was fuckin dying with that shit..not really a salvia fan but im glad i did it, it was an experience that i did not enjoy and would NEVER repeat...give me the acid and im golden

 

I definetly agree. If you want to use something to get jacked up, use something else so that you don't ruin it for other people. I have no problem with your focus on fear, but maybe finding a way other than salvia to bring that out would be best. It sounds like you do have some problems that you need to face.

Steven

 

so anyway... i thought i would come back to say that i smoked 20x and i turned into a box and a man with checked shirt and round glasses opened the box (me) and told me something like "jeez what's with you man"... the same guy has been in all of my trips and i have never seen a woman... i really want to see her... but instead i see a man. lol... that sounds gay

i remember once the same man told me to lift up my chin so he could get to my throat and when i did it i felt as he opened it up. i could breathe much better and i felt great!

I totally respect sally. you got me all wrong when you thought i don't respect it. it's just that this respect is different. and to tell you the truth, i think there's something wrong with people walking around and telling that sally is not a recreational drug and all that shit. like it's programmed in by other people to tell such things. or people who don't know nothing about it (not calling any names) and still talk smart.

So yeah, it's not very smart to hit it in a party...if you do it you will probably have a really bad trip. but so what? bad trips can teach us even more important things than the good ones. the real knowledge comes from experience and now i can say that i have experienced a lot of it and i have found the best way to do it. alone. of course i would not even try to experience it lets say on the roof of a 500m building... that's just stupid... what im trying to say is that when you are really ready to smoke salvia and when you really want it everything turns out alright and you will have a good trip. for me the salvia mood can come up totally out of the blue...

uhh i forgot what i wanted to write here...

i know that salvia affects everyone differently and i believe you can use it to get contact with the inner self. the one that's always been there yet you haven't really had the chance to see it yet. and when you see it for the first time it's terrible... but then you just get used to it.

i really believe that salvia is one of the best things that has ever happened to me. the fear is gone now though... that's the only sad part. maybe i should try the 60x and see what happens...

Thanks.

 

haha, i was tempted to try the 80x in myrtle beach, but i didnt have enough money.