One Major Difference Between Jesus and Religion

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Jesus defeated 'Religion' and He not only did that but he 'pwned' religion and still owns it.
He is above religion.
Christianity is not a 'religion' but is a way ABOVE religion.

The only reason you hear otherwise is for propaganda purposes or by naive nonchristians.

 

Wow, that statement doesn't reek of arrogance. Nope, not one bit.

 

Not to argue... but I don't believe in "Christianity" which is a man made term and a man made religion to take people's eyes off of Jesus. I said "Jesus".....

Hey Silverwolf. I know what you mean....

 

'Christianity' is a man made term and in a sense its insulting in that it makes it sound as if its a 'religion' as opposed to another.
Or that its a certain path.

In fact, Jesus called it 'The Way'.

We do have to use the term nowadays in order to communicate what we mean.
'Lutherans' is a bad man-made term too but we use the title so others know who we mean.

 

No.... "Jesus" is "The WAY" Period. "Christianity" is not the way but a way of man and division.

 

Knock it off already with that stupid game playing.

We have to use words and terms that others understand and when you say 'Christianity' the listener understands (hopefully) that you intend to communicate that Jesus is the ultimate way.

So knock it off already.

 

I am sorry that you were offended by the truth. If you will just take a step back and cool off a little maybe you will see where I am coming from in my statements. "words" and "terms" may be why you and some others here are not having much progress "converting" others to "christianity"...... not by might, but by My Spirit...... converting to "christianity" is of man. Jesus is enough. Stop getting in God's way with your "words" and "terms". This is not a "game". Take a step step back and let the love and grace of God help others. "christianity" hinders the work of God and gets in God's way.

Anyone out there like to comment or have any questions on the initial post, please. Back on Topic.

 

Do you think you are trumping all the other people in here with this observation or are you trying to say you agree with them?
It just seems to me you come across like your 'trumping' everything.

Let me ask you this.. wheres God the father and the Holy Spirit in your understanding?

 

Don't let your temper and anger get the best of you. Think what you like. It will not change the truth. Please do not keep ruining this thread. I am done replying to you personally so don't bother arguing your points any longer - I will not respond to you. Anyone else out there wish to discuss the initial post?

 

The gospel according to John isnt truth about Jesus at all. The tone changed so much in that book that one should be able to tell it aint Jesus' sayings none.

 

Anyone else out there have any comments on the initial post? Thanks...

 

I'm glad somebody has something joyous to say about the life of Jesus Christ. Your definition was very well said and I agree with you 100%. I just pray that others can look past thier biased prenotions of what the world thinks of Christianity, and find the truth and meaning that Jesus can bring to thier lives. God bless.

 

Definitely Kaiser. It's all about Jesus. I don't want to offend anyone but "christianity" gets in the way.... Thanks for sharing....

 

Yeah. In what way is letting a temporary human shell, not your true self, die, considered a great sacrifice to an eternal being, who has the power to make a new human shell whenever he likes?


Peace

 

thats not the bigger picture. Jesus came to earth in human form to be tortured mocked and killed for our sins. yes His body was temporary but His temporary body still suffered. besides all of our bodies are tmporary

 

Well...

1. Torture isn't a bad thing, from what I've read of the bible.

and

2. If Jesus is God, how do you know he really suffered? He'd have the power to not feel pain, and could have just been pretending. Like, when he pretended to pray to himself.


Peace

 

Hey 3DJay. I like things and people in 3D.

There may be answers to your questions and statements that could possibly satisfy you - but there may not be. If there was a way to absolutely "prove" to you who Jesus is and what Jesus did on earth(and all the "ins and outs" of His death, His deity, and His praying in His human nature) - would you then trust or believe? Sorry, none of us can prove anything pertaining to spiritual things. That is where trust or faith comes into play. Trust or faith can be a difficult thing for many. I did not trust in Jesus until I was 23 years of age and had a very powerful experience centered in the cross of Jesus. Sure it was just me and some of what I experienced could be seen as subjective, but I began to read the new Testament to see if that which I experienced was clearly in there. To my amazement it was - clearly and without dispute. It still is by trust and faith, even though my experience was so powerful and the new testament speaks clearly of it. My experience had variables involved in it that also made it an experience outside of myself and not completely subjective. It involved others and their independent actions interacting with each other but not according to natural laws. I could say it was possibly "supernatural" because variables within the experience were not in accordance with natural laws that we know of.

As I previously asked, if there was a way to absolutely "prove" to you who Jesus is and the what, who, and why of that which Jesus did on earth - would you then trust or believe? Jesus is recorded in the new testament as saying to some who had a problem with trusting in Him something of the sort as - "even if someone was raised from the dead, they would not believe." Many of us will never believe on this earth and in this age - no matter what.

I only share my views because my life and outlook have been positively changed through them. One can share their beliefs because they truly love and care about people, and not be pushy. It is interesting how if someone shares their belief in Jesus they are more easily looked at by others as being "pushy" than one who shares their beliefs that do not pertain to Jesus.

If you know within yourself that you will not believe no matter what, then just leave those that believe alone even if you think they are wrong - unless you truly care and love them, and truly desire to help them. Yes, and I know a good portion of "christians" do not believe in that which I am speaking of - but not all are "pushy" because some have learned that love cultivates and does not dominate. Also, the new testament speaks of many who would take his name upon themselves and do things in His name - but who never really were spiritually joined to Him.(the crusades, inquisition etc.). Many people have done and will do horrible things in the name of Jesus - but they were never really spiritually joined to Him. I could give you some answers(may be right, may be wrong) to your questions but I choose not to because it seems that you are not truly open to Jesus as being both God and human, nor do you seem to be open to the cross as God's way of redemption from death. PM me if I am wrong(I apologize in advance if I am wrong) and you really are seeking answers and are willing to trust in Jesus if those answers are satisfactory enough for you to trust in Him. If you will not believe no matter what - then you are just wasting your time and other people's time - why bother? Nobody can "prove" anything spiritually to another... but also - no one can "disprove" anything spiritually either. I do hope the very best for you, and if you are truly seeking, I do hope you find that which you are looking for. Peace to you - and stay in 3D...

 

It doesn't matter if I'm an Atheist, Agnostic, or a Christian with different beliefs, for the questions I asked.

I've read the Bible, and I've read history. Whether I personally believe in Jesus, or not, I don't believe the Trinity followed the teachings of the earliest Christians. I don't think it is evident in the Bible...and, yes, I've heard the "proofs". The same opinion is supported by Newton, a devout Christian, who wrote more about the Bible, than science, and believed Arianism was the original Christianity, and that the Trinity was a fraud.

The only way, I can see, for Jesus to have truly suffered, is if he was a man, a prophet, and not God. A Godly Jesus would know for a fact, that he was heading to a better place, would know exactly what was waiting for him, would know exactly what it felt like. He would consider his earthly body, a less desirable place to be. Being a sinless God, he'd have to not covet his earthly body, at all. In other words, he wouldn't care about dying. In fact, he might have been eager to get home.

If Jesus was God, then he pretended to pray to himself, for show...pretended to be lesser than himself...pretended to talk to himself...amongst other things. Why should anyone believe that the crucifixtion wasn't all show, as well?


Peace

 

Hello once again 3DJay - glad you are still remaining in 3D. I will attempt to answer your questions but I must ask some questions also. I will get into the new testament a little bit but I'm not out to "prove" anything to you because I don't know if you believe in the new testament and also, even if you do, quoting from it doesn't prove anything anyways. No one can "prove" anything spiritual to another person. As I said in my other post.

Do you ever pray to Jesus like Stephen did in Acts before he finally died after being stoned?

Stephen prayed to Jesus "Lord receive my spirit."

Only God should be prayed to - basic teaching of Judaism. Praying to a man or angel is not of orthodox judaism which emphasizes to pray to and worship God only - it makes sense to me.

Do you ever worship("proskuneo" in the greek language) Jesus as many are recorded as doing so in the new testament?

There are tons of statements in the new testament stating that people worshipped(proskuneod) Jesus. He allowed it - so He is either divine or taking worship from God. Jesus also quotes the old testament translated into greek - "thou shalt worship(proskuneo again) the Lord thy God.... and Him alone shalt thou serve."

Jesus allowed people to worship("proskuneo") Him when He walked the earth. He is either divine, a lunatic, or one who was stealing worship from God by allowing people to worship(proskuneo) Him.

In Hebrews ch1 God(Father) is recorded as declaring "Let all the angels of God Worship("proskuneo" again) Him(Jesus). Also, in the same chapter, God(Father) is recorded as declaring to Jesus "Thy throne, O God, is for..."

So whether one believes in the new testament or not - these things are declared within it. Some believe it, some don't - but God Loves ALL.

Jesus was a man - "Son of Man" being one of his titles. He prayed as a Man in His human nature to His Father "God". He is Both Human and divine. He suffered and died as a Man - in His humanity, in His human nature. He rose from the dead as a Man - in His humanity, in His human nature, so that humanity would also rise in Him.

I could quote bible passage after bible passage if you wanted. But as I said, I don't know if you believe in the new testament and also, even if you do, quoting from it doesn't "prove" anything anyways. No one can "prove" anything spiritual to another person. If you are open to the bible then PM me and I'll be happy to lead you to passages and explain to you why I view things the way that I view them. You are psychedelic in 3D.