Christianity: "Over and Done"

*snickers* -n- *giggles*

 

Translation: Don't hold your breath. On further review it is a most embarrassing recording of me and my slightly less retarded church group buddies performing a reenactment of the Exorcist.

 

Don't be jealous, Mattel. I may have been laughing at Hasbro's self-important hypocrisy, but I have never stopped laughing at your amazing ability to miss the point entirely.

 

All I can say is ... wow ... this is actually two whole pages from the quoted text and was done today alone. What a hot topic.

With that said, I would like to add that this post is not a direct response to anyone, not Ik, not Campbell, not to anyone, so there's no need for anyone getting all offensive and thinking I'm attacking ...

All beings with contact of our senses, more particularly the senses of sight, senses of hearing, senses of thought, and on occasion senses of touch, are our teachers. All beings, whether human, animal, insect, ghost, higher-realm being or lower-realm being, and all beings existing in all conceivable realms in-between where contact is made with whomever is reading this are our teachers.

Some are direct and some indirect. While some pass on the information they have amassed, and still others the experiences they have amassed, there are those whose knowledge and experiences are not as desirable as others. It is these whose knowledge and experience is desirable make good teachers. Make excellent teachers. Make wonderful teachers. Likewise, it is those whose knowledge and experiences are not at all desirable who also make good teachers. Make excellent teachers. Make wonderful teachers.

Those whose knowledge and experience that are desireable, are those whose teaching we want to emulate, retain, and pass on as being desireable and worthy to be passed, emulated and retained by others.

Those whose knowledge and experiences that are not at all desirable, are those whose teaching we do not want to emulate, do not want to retain except to remember this is not how we want to be, and not pass on for fear they will give rise to an undesireable recipient.

So you see, both good and bad, whichever our perceptions have tendencies to give credence to, are good teachers. Excellent teachers. Wonderful teachers.

Sorry if this appears to be off-topic as it has nothing to do with signifying 'Over and Done'.

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Good people who became Christians?

The Bible tells us, there is no such thing as a good person.

ROMANS 3:10 As it is written, there is none righteous, NO NOT ONE.

Romans 3:23 For ALL HAVE SINNED and come short of the glory of God.

Behave badly? You mean Christians behave badly when they warn others of Hell, and then tell those people they need Christ in their lives to escape such a place. That's behaving badly? And you call these people self-righteous and delusionary because they believe the Bible and obey Christ command to warn the world.

Well in John 15:18 Jesus tells us that when the world hates you, we should remember the world hated Him first. So you see Skip, Jesus told us that the world would not be happy to hear Christians speaking out. And I take it your not happy either.

 

The whole Sermon on the Mount deals with the weakness of the Law. The Christian faith teaches that by the Law no flesh shall be justified. Your best works before the throne of God are nothing but filthy rags. Filthy rags will not get you into heaven. To pass through Heavens gates, will require something more than good works.

Jesus did the healing to show His authority, if you recall the story where Jesus spoke to a sick man telling him that his sins were forgiven, and some of the Scribes began to complain and say. How can this man say his sins be forgiven, for he is only a man. And then Jesus said to them, what's easier to do, to tell a man his sins be forgiven, or to say to the man, arise, take up thy bed and walk. The man on the spot was healed, just like that. And everyone was amazed. Jesus was telling them, Hey, not only can I heal people, but I can forgive sins to. And the only person who has that kind of authority, is God.

 

I can tell you that far too many Christians fail to understand where Jesus and his Apostles are most definately still under the Law and are absolutely practicing Judaism all along.
Speaking to Jews about the Law, under the Law and Campbell points out how Jesus is ultimately taking the Law (think 'Religion') to its 'logical conclusion'.
Along the way he is being battled by Ultra-Legalists in effect trying to 'Out-Religion' Jesus.
Ultimately, Jesus boxes them in and shows that the Law is not only impossible for them to achieve,
but,
It is not sufficient.

You know some people will even point to incident where a woman is to be stoned to death and Jesus 'cancelled it'.
I know this might 'sound like' Jesus was rejecting the law and introducing Grace but in fact Jesus was doing that according to the Law.
According to the Law, the executioner must have paid off his 'Sin debts' (they did this by temple sacrifice etc).
So,
When Jesus says "Ok, whoever is without Sin go ahead and cast the first stone' - He is once again correctly teaching the whole Law (religion).

A silly poster in here suggested that Jesus Apostles were 'Christians'.
Well.. I wouldnt want to get into a 'name game' debate but what you need to understand is that 'Christian' is a worldy term made up later.
In their case, in their understanding and how they saw themselves were simply as Jews living under the Jewish Law in Judea and following a Jewish Rabbi.
At that time the Apostles dont even seem to be aware that Jesus is going to be the Messiah but they do not yet understand that a 'New Covenant' is on the way.
There is no such thing as 'Christians' to them and they are simply Jews like any other.

Yes, it has been pointed out there were incidents before the Crucifixion where Jesus alone introduces his impending authority... in particular when he forgives some peoples sins.
This is still proper under the Law but the 'catch' is that only God has that authority.
Hence the Pharisees are very pissed off at Him.
They dont believe he is God.

 

A fifteen year old boy doing nothing for 14 hours a day and being hidden from the public at night.
Yes Im really sure that will go a long way to establishing peace on earth.

btw Skip, there is no 'our Messiah' or 'their Messiah' when it comes to Christs second coming.
He shows up and establishes himself as your King just as much as mine.
In fact He will be coming next time to take over the entire planet.

But yeah, Im sure tree boy is pretty good too.

 

hehe , yes I agree with you here when you say that about Palden Dorje. He is not looking to save the world more than trying to save himself and putting himself on a path that he needs to continue.

However, what I don't understand is why you are waiting for Jesus when you claim he is already in your heart. Why look outside when he is with in? And how can you burn in hell when Jesus resides in your heart?.

 

Im allowed to do both.
If He doesnt return bodily to Earth I will end up seeing him on my own personal last last day on the planet.

You cant.
Did you think otherwise or what?

 

No i am not saying that you are not allowed to do that, you are certainly are ofcourse. May be you didn't understand my question, what I am trying to ask , is why would you do it when you have already found him inside?

Yes, there was a confusion as to whether one needs to find both Christ on the outside and inside to go back to God.

It is clear from what you said that Christ is inside for one to go back to God. Then, why bother waiting for him to arrive? He is already found on the inside, so he doesn't necessarily have to come on the outside to be King.

 

Then he was also telling the truth when he told us not to judge. And as I clearly stated earlier, there are other examples in the bible where Jesus warns us against self-righteousness.

And seriously, whatever happened to preaching through action? Typing on a computer is hardly "action" compared to being a curteous, compassionate, happy individual. These are the people that are really out fulfilling god's word.

Another thing--I really wish you would stop placing so much emphasis on the fact that good works can't save you. So what? That DOESN'T mean you get to be an asshole and still pat yourself on the back because your saved. And you know what? I'm sure every single person in America has heard of Jesus, and I'm positive (because I was one of them) that some of them have been DRIVEN AWAY from christianity because of self-righteous hypocrites like you. Have you ever thought of that? Have you ever even considered that maybe your tactics aren't working, and that your giving more anti-christians ammo? After a certain point, if someone doesn't want to accept christ after listening to you, it's THEIR business. You can't save everyone, so in the meantime, how about you stop giving us a bad name.

 

Well agreed.
I dont have to wait for anything and ultimately Im going to see the 'outside' Jesus sooner or later anyways.

Jesus is believed to be coming back to Earth to realise a physical kingdom.
So thats good too.

 

Please tell me why he will return when he can manifest in everyone's hearts right now ? I don't mean to offend, this is really a sincere question.

 

Now now... easy there, its really not his fault. He is simply doing what he thinks is right, he is serving God in his own way, let him.

Not everyone can go out there and do things, and everyone does what he can, there are no actions that are less or more really, I am sure you can find a quote from jesus that explains how even the smallest help is rewarded by God If he thinks he is saving people through his endeavors, no matter how wrong they are for you, they are right for 'him', and I think thats enough for "Him".

 

Im having difficulty understanding why you (seem) to have an 'Either/Or' approach to this?
As if one question is pitted against another or as if some 'dilema' exists if both are true.

Jesus did come to Earth in a real physical form.
He left the Earth but He lives in, of and through those who will let him.
Ok so far?

In addition to this, Jesus promises to return in physical form again and establish a 'physical kingdom' as well.

So I dont know what to tell you... that you do NOT need to have Christ return physically?
I guess you dont but then again why not.

 

Hey, if this is your messiah, I will stick with Jesus. This guy looks like he's on a bad drug trip. And when Christ returns, He will bring peace to the earth. I don't see your messiah bringing much peace or anything else to this world right now.