instructions on changing lsa too lsd

Discussion in 'Drug Chemistry' started by Confused927, Mar 8, 2007.

  1. Confused927

    Confused927 Member

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    im pretty sure it can be done where would i find writing on this
     
  2. Twizz

    Twizz Drug Conoisseur

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    nope
     
  3. Nitrusx

    Nitrusx Banned

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    The original synthesis with ET is easier then the LSA to LSD conversion.
     
  4. Eeso

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    If you can't use Google you most certainly can't make LSD.
     
  5. soaringeagle

    soaringeagle Senior Member

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    highschool chemists forget that sometimes chemichals do go KABOOM
     
  6. mask_of_insanity

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    google has got me no where im just lookin for a link
     
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  8. Eeso

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    I wasn't aware you had multiple handles....
     
  9. mask_of_insanity

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    chemistry is my love it just the net is at times very unreliable i was looking for writing too base a theory on then i will start as you said my mona lisa
     
  10. Geneity

    Geneity self-proclaimed advocate

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    LSD is probably the single most difficult drug to create. We'd all love it to be as easy as throwing a few chemicals into LSA for it to become LSD but it isn't anywhere near that.

    I tried understanding the synthesis, but the crazy science drabble, and multitude of chemicals needed to synthesize it, plus the ungodly amounts of lab equipment needed, and the DEA becoming suspicious of you buying all that, let alone needing clearance for much of it, and some of the substances are quite tightly controlled, it's very VERY difficult. Both on a chemistry level and on a legal level.

    It takes an intense amount of understanding and training in organic chemistry before even attempting such a thing. There was a lab that was caught by the DEA awhile back that constituted for 95% of the LSD in the US, and a decent amount of it in Europe. It requires a very elaborate setup and many, many precursor chemicals thats are very tightly controlled.

    Do yourself a favor and get this out of your head. Start with something like synthesizing opium out of poppies, and then try synthesizing morphine out of opium, or pure LSA out of HBWR or MG seeds. It all starts small.
     
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    No, start with something like majoring in chemistry during college.
     
  12. Geneity

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    Or that. Organic Chemistry <3
     
  13. polymer

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    well, for starters, you can't make opium from poppies, since opium is the raw sap that oozes from the cut pods anyways.

    and there are only two watched precursors involved in LSD manufacture.... E.T. and Et2NH.
     
  14. PsychMyke

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    or in the case of LSD, Ker-splash...instant permatrip, see you in a few months brooo....farrr ouutttt...
     
  15. Geneity

    Geneity self-proclaimed advocate

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    Ah, that would suck.

    "CLEAN IT OFF CLEAN IT OFF CLEAN IT OFF!!!!!........too late"
     
  16. mixmaster1314

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    i make lsd all the time. its simple really. go out and find a buddy who sells "Acid" and put it in ur mouth.
     
  17. thetrippyhippy

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    If I recall a bit of the synthesis for LSD you start out with ergot alkaloids(Preparation I)
    or any lysergic acid (Preparation II) so in theory you can use LSA to make LSD, both of them are lysergic acids

    .... I do beleive
     
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    The simpilist recipes do not sound all that difficult but there are many, many hurdles to overcome. The starting material must be obtained, isolated, and purified. The key reagent is watched. Several precuations must be followed or yield will approach zero-- which in reality means failure. Equipment required doesn't have to be ultra-high tech but it is beyond anything you can rig up in your basement or kitchen and will require at least several thousands of dollars to do it properly. The raw materials, if you can obtain them, are expensive. So expensive in fact that you would be lucky to break even financially. Sure if you have the ability to isolate ergot and culture it then you may have gotten over one hurdle. The other hurdles require, intelligence, education, training, and $.
     
  19. Chuck_Lapute

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    I tought LSD was made through a reaction with Lysergic Acid and Diethylamide... Am I wrong? So what is the difference between the LSA extracted from Morning Glory flowers and the Lesergic acid that is prohibited by the DEA??

    If it's the same product, it shouldn't be that hard to make LSD. You only need some IR spectra to confirm the purety and an other test ( cant remember the name: its with diffraction) to be able to check the presence of any isomer.

    Correct me if Im wrong!
     
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    LSA found in MG or HBWR seeds is a small fraction of the total molecules possessing the lysergic moiety. The crude extract could be further purified to just lysergic acid and the remaining lysergic moieties hydrolyzed to lsa. The difficulty is in the large volume of seeds required (they aren't exactly cheap) to get enough starting material. One would also need the appropriate pure solvents, acids, bases, vacuum, and condensation or powerful drying agents, etc. Its not that it is impossible. It is just really hard to do with the commonly available starting materials--especially if it is synthed for profit. IR, polarimeter, refractometer may be useful.
     

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