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Discussion in 'Mind Games' started by Spinnakerbob, Feb 2, 2007.

  1. Spinnakerbob

    Spinnakerbob Member

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  2. plastic bagism

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    Holy fuck. What a mind trip.
    Did you check out the music?
     
  3. eyegore21

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    Jesus of Jews, I wish I could understand what the hell they were talking about. Just thinking about how insanely complex the 10th demension would be just makes my mind hurt. That's something I need to think about whilst stoned...
     
  4. Ynef

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    It's just a theory anyway... 1 theory in a pile of infinite theories...
     
  5. Diogenes

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    i didn't understand all. but i got the feeling that the maker of the film or the maker of the theory didn't either. but what do i know.

    anyway after the 4th dimension it got questionable. there comes a philosophical question about necessity. can there be possible worlds or does everything happen because of the necessity of some causal law? it's also a question about free will. is there any choise or do we do everything because of a reason, inner or outer.. (sorry my bad english) And did the film suggest that a certain branch of physics has invented a solution to the problem through research? or is there no problem of philosophical kind in physics?

    and after the 5th dimension, the possible timelines or something, it seemed to me that there wasn't any new idea or dimension suggested, but just a repeat of the previous, some kind of a trick. because couldn't say something about dimensions, started talking about big bang and end of universe. i think from the 1st to 4th dimension there is an analogy and it makes sense, but that same analogy doesn't continue in the 5th dimension. i think that there is something real in the idea of dimension as explained about 1st, 2nd, 3rd and 4th, it's quite easy to understand, and we can understand it easily because it somehow all belongs to our daily perceptions and the way we conceive our world.. also the concept of possibility belongs to our natural way of conceiving, but it lacks that analogy that keeps the 4 dimensions together. the 4 dimensions can be understood geometrically but "possibility" and possible timelines belong to some other context. also, i think, the geometrical way to conceive the 4 dimensions can be used to imagine an infinite number of dimensions, and there is irrelevant if it is just a portion or the whole of the universe in the analogy, it works anyway. but it is also just abstract thinking and imagination, no certainty about the truth about the dimensions.
    then there is the question about causality, necessity, possibility and free will etc. I think that the free will and possibilities is something that we all strongly experience, but not something that anyone yet has been able to explain or prove and propably quite few even understand it, because it is untouched by sciense and scientific methods and the contemporary humanity mostly tries to understand everything by views based in sciense and mathematics. then again causality is somethin that feels easier to understand, and whether anyone understands it or there is anything to understand, it belongs to the usual way of conceiving and without it nothin seems to make sense, but if we approve it, it seems to say to us that there is no free will, no possibility, just necessity. so we have there two basic parts of conceiving that are hard to deny, but they are not fitting at all together.
    maybe i'm just confused and ignorant but this is the way i see it.
    something in my mind wants to understand it and it wants to find answers: why, explanation, but the way my mind seeks answers seems addicted to this causality, it asks for reasons.
    maybe the answer lies on a different level on mind. there is a level of abstraction where it's possible to construct all kinds of games and worlds and there its possible to play with geometry and consepts of dimension, there can be made analogies about everything.
    other levels are interesting, but its difficult to say much about it, maybe because most of the talk happens with concepts and analogies of abstract level. when overwhelmed by the noise of that level of mind a lot in life seems to just run by. when brakin out from that level it's possible to see more..
     
  6. yyyesiam2

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    1=line made of two points, containing nothing.

    2=existance of multiple lines
    3=fold in two dimensional space, allowing a jump from one line to the other. (a being in this dimension can perceive the combinations of all previous dimensions.)
    4=line that connects a beginning to an end.(the beginning and end signify two points, each containing all possible combinations of previous dimensions. three dimensional space travels along this line.)
    5=existance of multiple paths-quantum potentiality (correct term?)
    6=fold in 5th dimension, allowing a jump from one path to another. (a being in this dimension can perceive the combinations of all previous dimensions.)
    7=line that connects two points, each containing all possible combinations of previous dimensions. (all possible combinations=infinity. the line between two seperate infinities is based on the idea that if one beginning had different conditions than another, these two beginnings would each lead to possibilities that could not exist if based on the other beginning's conditions, hence the possibility of two seperate infinities.)
    8=existance of multiple infinity lines-i believe these infinity lines are supposed to be the infinite strings talked about in string theory.
    9=fold in 8th dimension, allowing a jump from one infinite line to another. (a being in this dimension can perceive the combinations of all previous dimensions)
    10=a point in this dimension would include all possible forms of existance.

    this is what i got from it. correct me if i am wrong.
     
  7. jean_genie

    jean_genie psychedelic saturday

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    i was lost after the 5th dimension lol
     
  8. teh-horace

    teh-horace for your pleasure

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    this just makes me feel so small
     
  9. plastic bagism

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    Yeah... I watched it again and I can't tell whether this guy is full of shit and people accept his theory because they can't understand it and therefore think it's genius... or if it's just me not understanding a truly brilliant theory.

    I understood it better high anyway.
     
  10. mighty_thor

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    The whole idea of more that 3 or 4 dimensions is not a new one. Lots of math has been done for centuries in a very large number of dimensions. In fact, quantum mechanics can represent the state of every sub-atomic particle as a superposition of state vectors in an abstract, infinite-dimensional space. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dirac_notation)

    I think the film over-simplifies things, to the point of implying the wrong understanding... either that, or as previous posts have stated, maybe the film maker doesn't fully understand the subject either. But at least they are trying.

    The whole deal with 10 dimensions is all the rage these days, due to string theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/String_theory). Some of the crazy math implies that everything happens in exactly 10 dimensions. But there is no purely mathematical reason that you can't consider more dimensions than that. As for the metaphysical implications of this idea, the debate is still raging among physicists philosophers all over the world. There are at least a half dozen different interpretations of the math that are held with religious ferver by experts around the world, and these interpretations are quite incompatible with each other.

    If you like the basic math ideas of this film, but want to study something that is more "real," truly beautiful, and a total mind trip, try this instead: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_regular_polytopes. :D

    If you want to learn more about the real version of this physics, you can check out The Elegant Universe (http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/elegant/), or the bootlegs of this on YouTube: (https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query="The+Elegant+Universe"&search=Search). :)
     
  11. WeedIsMyAntiDrug

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    sounds too simple
     
  12. yyyesiam2

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    well it is a human description.
     
  13. wicked_420_lvr

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    i got lost afetr the 4th deminsion it reminded me of my algebra class for some reason and i failed that class lol
     
  14. Dude111

    Dude111 An Awesome Dude

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    Yes thank you for this vid!!!!

    I dont think ANYONE CAN SAY they understand A BILLIONITH of what its all about!! (Anyone who does IS LYING)
     
  15. morrow

    morrow Visitor

    My head huuuuurts! Mear woman...fancy making me do that!
    Now i feel dumb! Awwwwwwww
     
  16. Anaximenes

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    Flatlanders can treat the third dimension as time, and thus become fat and obese, and hey how about stuff themselves with some kind of glutomose (or whatever) in order to keep their esophegous together-- of course in the course of time (now the third dimension).

    Does this mean they needed the third dimension to be alive or animated?
     
  17. Tyrsonswood

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    Necro thread... Using the 4th dimension.
     

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