Enough of crushing our generation.

you guys sound just like the people you rebeled against when you were little. That post "What wrong with todays youth", Hypocrites. You older folks need to realize that WE were given a reason passed down to fight for goodness and hope and your generation got rid of the blunt of it, but this generation has to smoothen the rock out. We need to be this way to show how it should be. We are trying very hard, harder then alot of you can think to change the world for the better. And we need to get the uncomfortable people comfortable and sometimes you need to give them a taste of there own medicine with good heart for them to see there darkness.

josh

 

How do you personally fight for goodness and hope, Josh?

 

there is no hope. We're all gonna end up killin eachother.

try to be optimistic about it

 

Not everyone agrees with the people putting down the younger generation. And you're 100% right, "What's wrong with the kids today?"... I first heard that when I was, I guess, 15 or 16 (1963 or 64...something like that). The answer then, as now, is - nothing is "wrong" with us or them or ya'll.
We (then, 43 years ago) were very different from the people who had been young 43 years before that(in the 1920s & 30s). Ya'll aren't as different from us, as we were from them. But that doesn't really matter... different does not mean "wrong".
And then, when it came to anti-war or any other protesting-type activity, we (the hippies of the 1960s) had lots of allies. Around where I was, a lot of the leaders were veterns of civil rights activities, and a lot of the marchers for civil rights & women's rights & voting rights, etc., were in the protests too.. But there were also a lot of Catholic, Quaker, & other religous groups. WWII & Korea veterns marched with us. Lots of groups coming together and making a movement.
Also, the folks putting down today's youth, I haven't seen them getting out and doing anything. I've been watching the "What wrong with todays youth" thread. I haven't seen anyone saying, for example, "How about some of you younger hippies joining me in _________ (whatever)" or "I'm getting a group together to protest the ________ , do ya'll want to help?"

Peace,
poor_old_dad

 

Hmm... I see the poitives and the negatives in their arguement. First if you look around there isn't a lot of resistance going on by the majority. However, most the people who post in here are not the majority. The people who post in here tend to be the people doing at least a little something to help the outside world. The youth who this should be directed to seems more like the younger teenagers listening to Green Day... They hear about how Bush sucks and he is a moron. However, what do they do about it? Little. But why? That is the question that needs to be addressed.

Perhaps instead of saying there is a problem, we need to do what we can within our power to FIX said problem. If experiance is the greatest teacher, then example must at least be its teacher's aid.

But the problem seems to be with organization. There are youth all over the country who are disgruntled with the war and bush and the politics going on, but they don't know what to do about it. All the marches on the lawn and things like that were big news in the 60's, because they were unheard of. However, nowadays an act of picketing or something like that is lucky to make local news, let alone world news. We need to find newer more shocking ways to let our protests be heard. Guerilla tactics or something like that.

 

i agreed with skip when he got rid of the young hippies forum

hippies stopped the vietnam war, which is what hippies do, stop wars and today's kids haven't been able to stop the iraq war so i don't think they've earned the right to call themselves hippies so its good we don't have a young hippies forum

if you kids stop the war in iraq, we'll give you a young hippies forum cuz you earned it but until you stop the war, you don't get a forum

 

And everyone knows that is the best reason to stop a war... To get a forum back...

 

The majority of the youth today are too self centered and too lazy to care about anything that doesnt affect them directly, and even then they still dont give a fuck.

 

that's why giving them their forum back if they end the war is the perfect motivation because their forum does affect them... its the perfect motivation for them to end the war

 

I think maybe that was a plus of how the origional hippies were raised... Sure their culture taught them to keep up with the jones's but it also taught to work toward a common good, or something that is more "important" than one's self. They were taught that America was worth more than their lives, to work hard for the good of the company, to listen to your mom and dad because they know best...

Now, those are all things that have been protested (and with good meaning!) but they also in my opinion seemed to spawn their own demise. All those things, taught a kid to think about more than themselves. Once they learned to channel this into another aspect (peace, the enviroment, etc.) then they saw these things as being worth working for, and for the greater good.

Most kids today have parents that make the whole focus of all life revolve around their kids. As a result, you end up with kids who don't know HOW to think of anything but themselves.

What do you all think?

 

what u guys are asking of this generation is way to much....there is a very small percentage of people who actually care about stopping the war and keeping peace (ironically most of these people end up listening to the music during the 60s).....but u need a large number of people to create protests and prove to the legislature and all of politics tht enough people care.....the large majority of people are both self centered as they dont care about anything but themselves....now if the government were to institute a draft, there would be riots in the streets because it wud directly affect the majority of teens today....

 

Basically the younger generation would take to the streets if there had been ,or if they proposed a draft now and their asses were on the line like the kids in the 60s.The politicians in charge pulled a slick one by using the national guard instead of a draft.

 

I wish you were my dad.

 

If ending the war is so damn easy how about you old hippies get off your ass and do it yourselves?

 

So called "hippies" in the 60's may have stopped the Vietnam war. After what, 12 years? But war has not been stopped in general. The "peace" protests of the 60's were nothing more than one mob standing in the face of another, and if the need came up beleive me there would be hell all over this country in a heartbeat. The thing is that one mob against another hasnt worked for centuries. One problem is resolved only to give way to a greater one. It is an endless cycle of bullshit where it takes 2 to tango, and the strength that it takes to stand up to oppression is deffinately to be honored and respected. The way to go about it is what needs to be different. This us against them shit is going to continue until we as individuals decide to listen to our hearts instead of the kill and conquer mentality. Once we realize that our insatiable greed will never be quenched, once we realize that love will be our only hope (and I mean LOVE, as oppossed to drug induced numbness) then we can make something happen. And if you are so wise, then help us.
Teach us so that we can learn from your experience and build upon it instead of giving us the cold shoulder like your fathers probably did. We may go up, and we may go down, but we're doin it together either way.

 

Hi Ya'll. Well I think UPR there has a point, makes sense. And as for Ashbury there, whatever! Thing is folks, throughout all time this has been the way of it, the bluebloods, the worker, the poor, the hip, the PEOPLE,,, another time, another war to fight about. Inner peace, how ya treat others, and family wether blood or not, these are importent. And if ya happen to be really dedicated to your cuase, have no family, ect.. more power to ya too! We all count in all our own lil ways brothers and sisters, Follow your hearts!
Much Love,
XXXOOO

 

First, It's EXCELENT to hear from you again Josh. Short update. Angel is off line till who knows when. But! She's doing okay. I use that gift you sent me, for my wife's photo on my desk.

Now to the subject:

pehraps a small part of the reason is that us old farts are feeling the effects of our behavior. I've smoked since I was around 12yrs. Now, my arteries are clogged so bad, it hurts to walk. You know that TV commercial where the old guy says "I can walk, just not very far." then he sits in this motorized scooter? That's ME today. I'm in one, or I can't leave my apartment except by taxi, or a friend taking me. See what I'm saying?
All for a fucking cigarrette.

 

No generation will ever 'understand' the next. Why? Our perspective changes. Hindsight is 20/20.

I do agree that the 'young generation' was raised to think of their selves first. When I told my nephew that he had to give up an old magazine each month when a new one arrived, he was flabbergasted. After I explained about how they could be used to help teach people to read, he started to care more. He was raised for almost 16 years with people who are selfish. He is coming around.

In the past years, I am beginning to see more teens get involved in helping others. With a lot of charities becoming business like there's not a push for service, now it's a push for money.

How to fix the problem? Help create avenues for the next generation to volunteer in. Show them how to get started and how to find places that need help.

As for the war. Personally, I can't put all the weight of stopping it on one generation. We all need to work together on this one.

 

Goodness, there are a lot of young grouchy hippies on this forum. You kids need to understand that the older hippies broke new ground. All the things you take for granted we had to fight for---the right to dress the way we want, the right to wear our hair the way we want, the right to protest against war and injustice. Nobody would be more pleased than I if today's youth put aside their blackberries and cell phones and got up from behind their computers once in a while and got ORGANIZED. The protest in Seattle against the WTO was a good start. Yes, the press was against them, but what else is new? You can't stop protesting against corporate greed.

 

so also true,,,I thank my older brothers and sisters of the time they did in each their own special way in those times. They are very humble for the most part. Sure made the 70's more open and free for us all.I love my brothers and sisters who fought on both sides of the war, I have lost too many people to to many stupid things. I know the importence of being connected to another human being, we all need each other. And it does amaze me how many folks in this country still dont get it.It also amazes me how many brothers and sisters all over the country there really are!!! And are doing very good things. Get up, stand up!

A smile, a lil patience, a whole lotta love, we can all get through it!