Seriously?

Discussion in 'Men's Issues' started by Green, Feb 10, 2007.

  1. Poem~Girl

    Poem~Girl Member

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    So who are you to say that Men aren't equal to women.... and women aren't
    equal to men because of attraction

    Personally you have a big problem and it starts with YOU!

    You need to fix you first!
    Men and women are equal.

    Just because we are 2 different sexes doesn't mean shit
    I wiped a lot of male ass when i ws dating so i have no clue why your generalizing "women only like rich".
    "I" paid for my college
    I paid for my ex's way
    I would never accept cash from a male if i went on a date
    I personally think that its within whom you are that really honestly counts
    count your f_____ blessings and don't sit there with a pedestal stuck up your ass like you want to rant because whether your blue black yellow green red or orange 100-200 300 400or 500 lbs its within that should count. Many ppl have their opinions, but realistically would you like being talked about ?
    Theres a lot of ppl that don't like skinny girls because of the media
    lots of men like curves
    many of guys like obese but whom?
    Stop and put your damn foot in your mouth and look at your self and maybe find yourself and come to realization before you hurt someone. Because soon enuff no one will want to associate with a bastard lke you
     
  2. mr.morrison

    mr.morrison Senior Member

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    nah, women arnt in it for the money. more girls go to college now then guys. they probably realized that they cant depend on us lazy guys.:rolleyes:
     
  3. Xac

    Xac Visitor

    That made me smile :)
     
  4. Bella Désordre

    Bella Désordre Charmed

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    I respect what you are saying but I need someone who wants the same career successes I have. I am more easily able to fall in love with somone who can understand and empathize with my problems. It's not that I can't be with somone who is on the poor side it's that I can't be with somone who I have more ambition than, a better job than
    ...love is great and all but after a few years I am guessing love can fade really fast if you're getting up early for work and bringing home the money while he is trying to 'find himself'. We all need a period to find ourselves but with some guys I am friends with I notice that's all they care about is 'finding themself' while someone else in their life is working hard to support them 'finding themself'.
    I don't know...I've always just been driven and I can't understand people who aren't. If I met a nice guy who was ambitous but gave away all of his extra income to charity I would be fine with that too. It's not the money.

    I can't let a guy with less accomplishment than me be a 'man' either because I will continously get pissed off if he critiques any aspect of my life. I am the same way with this one friend I have who's dad pays all of her bills at 27 and she's never had to work...It's just like what right does somone who has never chosen to take on as much as I have to tell me how to go about my life. That's not a healthy relationship. I need at least an equal.

     
  5. Autentique

    Autentique wonderfabulastic

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    Well, I guess the problem there might be thep eople telling you how to go about your life, after all I dont think that's what a relationship is about.
    Ambition and knowing who you are and what you want in life, I like that too in a man. But does that's translates in having a good job? maybe the guy just wants to trravel and take pictures around... that's something pretty ambitious and for me that's being driven, or you know wants to stay at home all day and write.. whatever is it they do. There's so many talented driven people who just want to do what they do and that makes them happy.
    From what I understand is not guys with lack of ambitions that you are rejecting is guys who dont have the same ambitions as you do.
     
  6. Samhain

    Samhain Lifetime Supporter Lifetime Supporter

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    how about you met a guy that would like to be a stay at home dad and is good at it, thats still ambitous, its just a very different kind to you, you seem to be driven by someone who has a work ethic.
    I guess providing yoou don't mind being alone, because dating someone and you having a check list, isn't very sexy and romantic and you might find someone who earns more than you, gets up earlier, is in charge of muticompanys and is a complete bastard.
    having said all this it sounds like your a competative person, so I think if you dated someone that did fit all your critia in the end you'd resent him for doing better than you.
    S
     
  7. Bella Désordre

    Bella Désordre Charmed

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    Traveling and taking pictures is great...and unless you're a photographer for Travel and Leisure you should be responsible and do it during your vacation time from work.

    I'm getting up early and going to work every day. I'm working hard to pay my bills and make a nice lifestyle for myself. I don't think it is too much to require that my future partner do the same.
    I want someone who motivates me and inspires me...not somone who is always questioning what they want in life and thinks for some reason they are above gainful employment and expect others to support them.
    When I'm thinking serious relationship and possibley starting a family with somone it does translate into going to work everyday and being a responsible partner...a big part of that is financial responsibility.
     
  8. Bella Désordre

    Bella Désordre Charmed

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    I don't have a specific checklist I just want someone who is as responsible as I am and who can hold his own.
    There are two types of guys I attract-Those who are relativley succesful and in turn devalue my success because I am a woman and they want everything to always be about them. And the other type are ones who are happy for my accomplishments and really sweet but very immature and have no responsibility of their own and little desire to take on any anytime soon. I woud love to find somone in the middle who wasn't super self-absorbed and wasn't an adult child either.
    I am very competetive and I tend to date really competitive people too. I would love to say they always started the competion but I know that is untrue. I have learned so much from my past relationships and know what I want in a guy. I want somone who has a great career but is secure in me having one as well.

     
  9. Green

    Green Iconoclastic

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    I didn't say women only want rich guys. I said that for women, how much money a man makes is paramount. Which means that women usually want a guy who is financially stable and not some poor crack dealer who lives with his mother.
     
  10. Green

    Green Iconoclastic

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    If that was directed at me, it makes no sense.
     
  11. Bella Désordre

    Bella Désordre Charmed

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    well obviously. I don't think any guy would like a poor female crack dealer who lived with their mother.
     
  12. Green

    Green Iconoclastic

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    I think you're right.
     
  13. Vegan Girl

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    Actually, crack dealers in this area make a lot of money. It's people like me who have respectable employment who are broke. :rolleyes:

    I think you are trying to make a good point, but you're losing it somewhere. Firstly, everyone has their own preferences, regardless of media. Case in point, I'm a curvy girl with a nice sense of style and I recently got dumped for someone who is easily 150 pounds heavier than me and has a big tattoo in the middle of her chest. (Ok, my self-esteem did suffer slightly, but life goes on.) I've had no problem finding men and women who were attracted to me, just like I'm sure slender and heavy girls have no problem either. There's someone out there for everyone.
     
  14. brainstew

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    No one wants a drug dealer, however, I and other women dont jump to "geee...I wonder how financially stable he is." If I met a man who loved animals like I do and who loved nature and was good with me, I dont care if he was Bill Gates or a Hobo on the street, I's love him.
     
  15. Poem~Girl

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    Buddy wake up! you make no sense!! i've many yrs on you. So i think i know what i'm talking about.
     
  16. Green

    Green Iconoclastic

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    The problem is that you assumed I said things which I didn't, so what you said didn't apply to me.
     
  17. Green

    Green Iconoclastic

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    Crack dealing operates like a business. Yes, there are bosses that make six figures, but the majority of crack dealers, the people standing out on the street corners, don't make much at all.
     
  18. Bella Désordre

    Bella Désordre Charmed

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    Crack dealers aren't releavent. When all is said and done the healthiest relationships are between two people who are secure enough with their lives to be real, be succesful and think their partner deserves the same success.
    I went back and read my posts and I realized they sounded horribley jaded. When in actuality my feelings are the opposite.
    I want to be with somone who is happy with their life and isn't afraid of life or success. Being happy and being proud of myself is the most important feeling to me and I would be a horrible person if I didn't wish that for my future partner as well.
    When I am with negative, unhappy, or lazy people it rubs off on me and I absorb their feelings like a sponge and let my own problems compile on top to create one huge self-pitying, nehative and bitter person. I never want to be that way again so being with only motivated people who are glowing from their lust for life is what I need to absorb, not negativity from unfulfilled lives or financial problems or men who feel the need to cut me down. I want to be the best person I can be for my partner and that's impossible when they are trying to stuff down my voice, point of views or spirit. There's so much abuse that arises from relationships when you are a woman dating somone who doesn't feel good enough to be with you. I never want to experience that again or send out invitations to my pity parties again.
    I refuse to settle and I shouldn'tbe classified as a gold digger or materialistic or crass because I think I am worthy of somone who is successful at life.
     
  19. FrozenMoonbeam

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    Yay, i'm glad someone did.

    This whole attraction thing - maybe it's just that it's unexplainable. It's perhaps influenced at least to a degree by the media, to another degree by your situation, to another by freinds, maybe to another by the way someone treats you, to another by phemerones - it's physical, it's emotional, it's ...it's a huge big, unexplainable mix.

    I mean, you can list all the things you want from an ideal partner and then you can meet someone who is all those things and still doesn't do it for you. You can't choose who you fall for - you can influence it, certainly, but attraction is ultimately unexplainable.

    So, in answer to your first question - there might be women like that out there (there are men like that out there too) but they are perhaps a little naive - no one in the world likes everyone equally (and that's not just because of media-standards of attractiveness, it's because of all I mentioned above and more). Because of that it's unrealistic to expect everyone to like you, no matter whether you are a super model, a billionare, or a Captain Wow. But - cruicially - someone will like you because everyone has such different tastes

    And yeah I think it's a little off to expect that everyone shares your own taste...the people you are not attracted to don't need your disapproval. it's just kind of...unnecessary...
     
  20. shaina

    shaina No War Know Peace

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    i know men who love large women
     
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