Revolution has to happen in America first

Discussion in 'Protest' started by Inquiring-Mind, Feb 15, 2007.

  1. Inquiring-Mind

    Inquiring-Mind Senior Member

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    A revolution anywhere else will be crushed by American capitalism, imperialism, media, and miliary like all others revolutions in the near past. America is a tool for the wealthy and powerful. The people are just sheep to be molded around.

    World peace, justice and freedom depend on America. Why? Because the world exploiters, oppressors and masters use America as their tool to repress all progressive movements.

    The powerful know this, this is why they are dumbing and weakening America.
     
  2. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Didn't it happen in 1773-1776? The French had their's in 1789, when are the rest of you going to put up or shut up? You all watch our media and are wantabees. Don't blame us for your shortcomings.

    Form your own countries based on your own values. If your monied elite are only looking to get rich than certainly they are following our model, but why are you? America makes mistakes, but it doesn't make all of them by itself. The rest of the world is just as culpable.
     
  3. Inquiring-Mind

    Inquiring-Mind Senior Member

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    The time will come. The masters have great control over the minds of the current generation. Technology and current weaponry and institutions the masters hold make control easier for revolution. I say revolution was a lot easier back in the days than today.

    However, soon or later this generation will wake up and become aware.
     
  4. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    China seems to be one of the most savy countries out there. They are profitting from American Corporate greed, but they aren't buying into our culture or our morals. They will in the end win out.

    The rest of you hedged your bets and sold out. Too bad!
     
  5. Haid

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    No, the government is still blocking the flow of information there. It will happen however and already is. China has had huge increases in protests and the like lately as well as greater freedom of expression. Lets hope at least the positives of our culture take hold.
     
  6. gardener

    gardener Realistic Humanist

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    Well I remember Titiananmen square. America did nothing to support the students, and at that time we didn't have corporate interests there. How much do you think the US will support a revolution there now? Not likely. They've been granted "most favoured nation" status by our government, why should they be concerned with human rights infringements?

    When freedom of expression interferes with corporate profit who do you think will win? Who's winning here in the states?
     
  7. StartToday

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    Mhmm, whatever. China capitalises on its people every bit as much as America. Who cares whether or not they buy into our "culture", and start airing Chinese Idol on TV. As for morals - what you mean freedom and democracy and equality and all that other shit? That's a myth. In the US, we don't have decide what the laws will be (representatives do) and we don't decide who the president will be (electoral colleges) or even who's in the Supreme Court. There's the democracy myth for ya. Freedom of speech and assembly? Yeah, sure, we're free to quit our jobs because they overwork and underpay us, but then, we're also free to get evicted and starve on the streets (ever seen how crowded those Salvation Armys get?). Equality is also a bullshit lie. I could write a book about this one, so I'll just leave it at that.

    The Chinese can start lying to their people about these freedoms as soon as their economic boom curbs, much like civil liberties started to improve more and more as industrialisation became closer and closer to being "done" in the US.

    The fact is, China is a capitalist country. It doesn't matter that they claim to be communist (I say claim because communism calls for the abolition of government, not the installation of another central power, and especially not one that causes loss of freedom and centralised wealth). The real "morals", those that have built the present American culture, are capitalist morals. And China has these.

    One does not simply form a new country. Besides, when you've got the US, or any other hugely powerful nation in your country supporting their own interests, they aren't going to like it when you want them out. Remember Vietnam? Yeah, the war against the commies. The Vietnamese wanted communism. Yes, the south Vietnamese. But the US did not, so they created South Vietnam (this was NOT outlined in the Geneva Accords), called off elections, and chose the president themselves. The people decided to "form their own country based on their own values" (freedom from American imperialism).

    Result? The US bombed the country to pieces, and ruined their crops, and disfigured their people with Agent Orange.
     
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