enlightenment

Anybody ever smoke and discuss serious matters with friends or family members? Recently a family member and I have been smoking together and I've encouraged her to tell me of her enlightening experiences here on earth. It's a good way to bond. The point is, many of my enlightening experiences have been when I was using cannabis. Example: when I explored the finite space between myself and another object. When reality became subjective to my perceptions and distance and time appeared to me as a strange concept.

It was an event which allowed my consciousness to evolve and become a new whole.

anybody else have similar experiences? or, anybody ever take a second to learn from another human being in this way? Ever discuss serious matters when you're high? Anybody here smoke for spiritual/religious reasons?

share your experiences with enlightenment...

 

i think thats the point of getting high to talk about life , when im high i realized that everytime i look at random people«s eyes i get this rush of information like if i knew them

 

I got that kind of feeling at school, I was blazed changing classes, so many people in the hallway, each persons eyes I saw, I thought about them for a sceond. I never noticed it before when I wasnt high. It was the trippiest thing.

 

sometimes when im really high me and my friends start discussing things like how big this whole universe is or how everything in nature is connected. weed seems to help me understand things and makes me wonder about a lot of things to. it also helps me understand who i am and i feel like i can get other peoples perspectives on things. when im high my imagination flows so well
one night we were tripping on mushrooms and a perfect pink sunset came. the entire sky was bright pink. it was probably the most amazing experience in my life. we just sat around for hours after that and philosophized about things in the moonlight

 

The most enlightening time was when I was on shrooms, about a quarter or so of some fresh homegrown B+ P. Cubes. I had a realization about the universe and I remember I kept saying the phrase 'everything is' to myself with amazing revelation. Unfortunately, now I look back on it and can't remember how the fuck it made sense.

 

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this reminded me of one time my buddy mike was so fuckin ripped, he said his vision went like the terminators, all red and like analyzing people with words coming up displaying information

 

Yeah, I think all the shrooms I did kinda over enlightened me, these days it's just relaxing, but it's always cool to connect with people...

~Dub

 

Personally, I don't buy into this whole 'enlightenment' thing; I think it's just a thinly veiled justification people use to excuse their drug habits.

I mean, come on, people: If God existed, do you really think you'd have to be squinting through a cloud of green smoke in order to see him?

The fact that one can talk and think more deeply when under the influence of certain drugs is not proof of anything except the intoxicating properties of the substance being used.

 

It's not about god, religion, politics, etc. It's about freeing the mind from the bond sobriety holds on our perceptions of the world and experiencing that same life we live from a totally different view. It's like stepping back and examining what's what.

 

I hear ya... but I still don't buy it.

If you are an intelligent, informed person, you shouldn't need a substance to tell you there is something up with the world. Sobriety has no bonds on me; I can see clearly with or without weed.

 

then awesome for you, we all love you and your great. In fact, some of us have already dedicated a cult to you, and we believe that you are ghandi re-incarnate. THUMBS UP

 

It's not about seeing clearly, it's about seeing things from a different perspective; it's like viewing the universe the way layman's perspective compared to that of a physicist.

 

It's the experience of viewing things when you can't see them clearly. Enlightenment is a revolution of the whole consciousness, which can happen with or without drugs. Cannabis is simply a facilitator.

No need to believe in a god or religion or politics. Just be.

 

I didn't start smoking till I was ... 39 ... and I would say yes - you defninately make connections in a different way when you are high. What I noticed is that the sense of you as the perciever and the objects/world you percieve as being two seperate things is diminished, and the second is that the ability to make association is really amplifed. My theory is that our brains are constantly making these associations, but when we are not high our conciousness filters most of it out. Know that thing when you first start smoking and its hard to finish a sentence....

I miss that. I don't get high the same way. break time

 

I can feel what you are saying, Layla...you hit the nail on the head. The mind connects everything, related or unrelated. The right brain (creativity) takes over. I've read that using marijuana is similar to cutting the Corpus Callosum, the bundle of nerves that connect the left and right sides of the brain, where the left brain functions are inhibited and the right brain functions are stimulated. Not sure how true that is, it was Carl Sagan who proposed that I think. That's why musicians, artists, writers, etc... they all smoke.

 

Why exactly are you on a hippy forum? Hippies do not 'cuss people out' with peurile sarcasm, for expressing a different viewpoint. Beligerent children do that.

How very babyish...

Paintballer; perhaps that is why I don't buy into it - as a mental health professional, I do view the world through a psychiatrist's eyes, pretty much...

 

zero if u never done drugs b4 then u dont know wtf ur talking about ,this whole enlightment thing is actually kinda dumb i dont need drugs to find enlightment i can do that sitting in an open field with friends hearing some soft music and reading a good book under a big tree with misty rain falling,personally i dont do drugs to find some kind of bigger force or paraller universe or something anyone who does that is just fried.i do it to change my perspective of the world to think more clearly and try to learn.and u said u where a mental health proffesional well sweety u dont know crap about the human mind

 

layla said that when youre sober, associations are filtered out.
I think of something similar but different. the way i see it, when we are sober, our minds are jumping ahead at a different rate. it is more prejudiced and directed, allowing for faster and less deviating concentration on an idea, but bypassing the creative process, not stopping to give conscious consideration to many associations.

when stoned, people can think all sorts of things from silly to strange to outright brilliant to so retarded that its not worth giving consideration to.

some people can give time to serious issues. some people cant. we all make mistakes while stoned, and some people think that this invalidates all our stoned thoughts. I think it doesnt matter if someones stoned, drunk, sober, on acid, or running around screaming in dellerium; the value of their thought is dependant on the thought itself as it is to their lingering concept of reality and ideals. and if people think certain thoughts, ones that they value greatly and bring them closer to their world, while stoned, then marijuana has helped them reach a step of enlightenment.

if you dont value the thoughts youve had while on drugs then perhaps your mind is just more suited to being sober, Zero.

however i agree that a lot of kids on this board justify their drug use in many ways, I remember doing it to a certain extent a couple of years ago. but even now, i think it justifies and justified a lot of what i was doing; it simply was missing a large part of the essence of drug use, and that was the frequency. the best thoughts from marijuana always come when a liberal dose of sobriety is mixed into lifestyle. no one needs to be in a state of abstract philosophical thought all the time, because the result is pretty clear: habitual smoking and sitting around listening to music and eating food and watching tv and all the things that stoners love to do but dont necessarily associate with their -reasons- for smoking.

no one needs drugs to find enlightenment. but why deny oneself a domain in which to find enlightenment if its avaiable?

similarly, marijuana is a drug and it works best when it makes love with our more sober minds, not our burnt out ones.
thats what i think

 

well said. i agree with this man 100%

 

Well done for contradicting yourself so beautifully.... And where did I say I have 'never done drugs'? I don't believe I did...

Ergo, your pathetic, snotty little attack is water of a duck's...

Oh, really? What are you basing that assumption on, Dr Freud? A handful of posts in which I have barely scratched the surface of MH issues? Or the fact that I have sense enough not to take drugs that might turn e into a patient?

Grow up, child.

And to think I thought this forum would be full of interesting, intelligent adults...

Not at all; I have done my time with drugs, and I'm over it, that's all.

Cannabis is a great drug, but it just sin't the key to anything, to my mind. Doesn't mean I don't enjoy it, or benefit from it.